Lol James; that by Rogers and the other saw about circular firing squads had been exactly what came to my mind when I wrote earlier... lol. Those are still truths are they not ? All this hand-wringing over the 'optics' of "one" event that was only 'supposed' to be a debate by too many, including Joe ? After I replayed the 'event' the second or third time it became quite clear to me that tfg had a plan in play. Early on, tried to 'appear' solemn. I saw tfg's eye's widen after the time or so that a mod asked one or the other if they would, given a minute or so, to expound or clarify on a point. Little by little, tfg would then 'ask' to go back without being asked by a mod. The mods gave in increasingly - then they lost all control, as he took the wheel.... The whole scenario as it degraded reminded me of what my Mom used to say of adolescents and manipulative brats or bitches, "You give an inch, they'll take a mile." That was the fault of the well manipulated moderators. I think given *an honest post thoughts and humility, they'd agree.