Thank you for the conversation.

It's critical to understand that identity politics has been a blessing for corporate America (I recently retired from one of the world's most powerful banks). What identity politics does is to permit companies to launder reputation with a system of belief, ie identity politics, that in no way threatens business model. In that respect, Occupy Wall Street is the opposite of identity politics.

Put differently, identity politics provides a mask that allows class to obscure itself.

Dr. Mounk, I am not sure how you choose guest, but I will be intrepid and request that you consider the writers of these 2 great articles:

Tom Mackaman who recently wrote this stunning essay which is a rebuttal to historian Woody Holton article in the Washington Post:

"Historian Woody Holton launches 1619 Project-inspired attack on the American Revolution" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/17/holt-s17.html

Also, Princeton historian Sean Wilentz who a few months ago wrote this:

"The 1619 Project and Living in Truth"

https://www.opera-historica.com/pdfs/oph/2021/01/05.pdf