I found the conversation fascinating but there are two places where I disagree with McGhee's thesis. First, her contention that the US is systemically racist seems to be based on outcome, versus process. People will always perform at different levels and assume these disparities are based on bias is incorrect. It's like assuming the race is always fixed, unless it always ends up a tie.

Second, I found it disappointing that there was no mention of single parent birth rates in the black community. In 2021, 70% of the black children in the US were born to single parents. This figure is fairly consistent all the way back to the mid 1970s. No reasonable person working in a think tank would dismiss this figure as meaningless. Children of single parents are swimming upstream economically. To me, this is the main driver of the income gap. When we consider how low the single parent birth rate is among Asian Americans, it's no surprise how well that group performs economically.