
The Grow interview series is designed to share the nuts and bolts of how writers have gone independent and grown their audience on Substack. It has been lightly edited for length and clarity.
We invited
, who publishes , to discuss her insights into building a community-first Substack and finding success with 30 Days of Drawing.What’s your Substack about in one sentence?
How drawing helps us become more curious, creative, and connected to one another, and changes us (and the world) from the inside out.
What features or strategies have you found most useful for growth?
I started the Grown-Ups Table to create what I wanted for myself: a weekly dose of creativity, art, and community. I believed that a consistent drawing practice would make my life better, especially if I could produce those pencil strokes alongside interesting, positive people. Wonderfully, the GUT has proved me right. And I’ve found that as long as I’m pursuing my own curiosity and going with my GUT (so to speak)—being generous with my ideas and questions and mistakes and successes—others are excited to join.
Major moments of community growth (which I consider either getting bigger or going deeper) include partnerships with the National Gallery of Art, guest artists and writers like Amy Tan, Gretchen Rubin,
, and Maira Kalman, and, of course, our 30 Days of Drawing, which we just launched again on January 1. It’s not too late to join!Growth by the numbers
Started on Substack: March 2021
Total subscribers: 77,000
30 Days of Drawing
Can you share an overview of 30 Days of Drawing?
Every day for 30 days:
I send a short, approachable drawing assignment. (Insider secret: These lessons are more about paying attention to ourselves/others/our worlds than about creating a drawing that is “good” or “right.”)
Paying subscribers get (and do) a 10-minute drawing assignment every day.
Community members post their drawings in the Substack Chat, where (this is my favorite part) everyone cheers and comments and supports one another. It’s such an amazing group. People make legit friends.
By the end of the month, subscribers have learned to let go of their perfectionism, become more curious and focused on the wonders inside and all around us, and made some pretty cool drawings they can hang on their walls, for real! Not to mention they’ve become part of a creative community that continues on for the rest of the year.
Why did you originally host 30 Days of Drawing?
I had fallen out of my own daily drawing practice and wanted to get back in the habit. I wanted to stop looking at my phone as much and instead actually learn something and be creative every day. I have never been successful at changing my habits alone, so I knew I needed to do it in community. Turns out all the things I needed myself, for myself, a ton of others needed too.
I also got to test if daily drawing did, in fact, change people from the inside out. We put together a little study, got back over 500 pre- and post-completion surveys, and learned so much. Mostly: It works.
Among all these other benefits, 30 Days of Drawing was also the inflection point for significantly growing our audience! So naturally, we’re doing it again this January.
How did you segment offerings for free vs paid subscribers?
Free subscribers get the drawing lessons, which include stories about artists' lives and work and the science behind art and drawing. I want everyone to learn this stuff.
Paid subscribers get access to the daily drawing assignments, our daily Chat threads, and the larger DrawTogether community—that means they can engage in the art sharing and community and get access to IRL DrawTogether member meet-ups and occasional video check-ins.
What kinds of prompts, activities, or conversations sparked the best participation in Chat?
The consistency of the lessons was an excellent spark in itself. And I think some of the more joyful or surprising assignments generated extra participation, like the week on Visual Storytelling, where we created illustrated lists.
When someone surprises themselves, it’s so invigorating. It was a joy to see people take risks, succeed, and celebrate their effort and drawing, especially with a challenge they’d never try outside of the GUT. I love watching hundreds—even thousands—of people look at the world through fresh eyes. It’s a thrill to witness someone’s aha moment in real time.
What was your strategy to direct people to Chat from your posts, Notes, and social media?
I mention the Chat in every post and tell subscribers to go there and leave some encouragement for others. That consistency is important.
Early on, I noticed many subscribers were getting confused about how to use the Chat. So we created an FAQ that explained how to use it, which made all the difference. We’ve made things even simpler and clearer this year.
We also curated a selection of people’s drawings from the Chat every day and featured them as a gallery in the next day’s newsletter. Subscribers love seeing their artwork featured in that gallery. We’re doing this again now, but this year we are letting free subscribers see a selection of drawings periodically, too









What metrics or community feedback helped you gauge its success?
Oh, you usually know quickly if something hits. My community isn’t huge on comments. We are a visual bunch. We speak in pictures and text. So the Chat is where it’s at.
What surprised you most about how subscribers participated?
I was most surprised by the interaction between subscribers. Seeing people self-organize meet-ups and accountability groups (for people who didn’t want to use the Chat) was a joy to witness. I feel honored and lucky to lead the community—but it’s really become a self-sustaining group. It’s grown into something more than I ever imagined.
What are you keeping the same, and what are you doing differently?
Last year was too much. I didn’t plan at all. Did no work ahead of time. I was conceptualizing, researching, writing, editing, and illustrating everything every day, in real time, for all 30 days. It nearly killed me. Within 24 hours of launching 30 Days of Drawing, I had to hire a community manager (Art Auntie Kathleen!) and a community editor (Kyle Ranson-Walsh!). I worked 24/7. I couldn’t have done it without them. By the end, I was exhausted and I got terribly sick. No more of that in 2025.
This year I’m approaching it with a framework of a main theme: Paying Attention—and being/doing “Good Enough.” Also, my crew has grown, I have more help, and we are doing more planning and front-loading. What does this mean for paying subscribers? Clear, fun, totally achievable goals that will help ensure that none of us get overwhelmed, that we all stick with it for the whole 30 days. “Ease” is the other theme for 2025. There’s enough stress going on in the world today. And there’s no such thing as an art emergency. We’re keeping this space easy and fun.
How do you maintain momentum after 30 Days of Drawing ends?
The Grown-Ups Table community keeps itself motivated! I continue to offer weekly lessons and assignments throughout the year that build on what we’ve learned and created in those 30 days. I’ve heard from hundreds of people that the drawing practice they started on day 1 of the 30 days continues to this day and that it changed their life. People got back in touch with a creativity they felt disconnected from, and they got to fully step back into that important part of themselves. It’s hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
Did your relationship with your subscribers change after you hosted 30 Days of Drawing?
By subscribers, you mean community, and by community, you mean friends, right? Yes! We got to know each other through our drawings, or efforts, our successes and failures. During the 30 days, we supported one member through a difficult diagnosis and another through the loss of a family member. The whole point of drawing, to me, is to connect with ourselves, the world, and the people around us. When people put in the effort, 30 Days of Drawing did all that and then some. It changed people’s lives, including mine.
What questions do you have for Wendy MacNaughton that we didn’t ask? Leave them in the comments!
To read more from this series on growing your publication, see our interviews with Noah Smith, Carissa Potter, Jørgen Veisdal, Anne Byrn, Nishant Jain, Michael Fritzell, Glenn Loury, Erik Hoel, Jessica DeFino, Mike Sowden, Elizabeth Held, Jonathan Nunn, Polina Pompliano, Michael Williams, Judd Legum, and Caroline Chambers.
This community art project is a great part of Substack. In some ways Substack is a kind of Substack U, a continually evolving electronic middle ages old school university where excellent knowledge about all aspects of art and other similar or totally different areas of life and knowledge are researched and investigated and the results continually presented by expert adjunct professor/writers. It reminds of the Middle Ages in the time of Thomas Aquinas when much art and knowledge residing in the custody of religion but gradually became more and more secular under religion's parental protection. Monks in monasteries studied, wrote or drew art daily. The past is reimagined, retro electronically refitted or remixed into a modern hybrid of the very old, which is Substack!
Challenges work! The best challenge I ran was a 21-day circadian fitness challenge, addressing health by changing our light environment, and relationship with technology.
Very inspiring! Makes me wanna draw!!! LOVE the idea of growing an organic community in this way and creating a safe, nourishing, and encouraging environment. This is the kinda stuff that can change the world at a cellular level. Such beautiful work!!
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Wendy, thanks for all you’ve shared. I got out my colored pencils, my daily journal and drew my troubled squamous skin cancer wound on my head from a large surgery. Even though my head feels on fire at times, I had to giggle as I viewed what I drew, crazy! So with gratitude for a lighter look!
Huzzah!
Thanks! I’m with one of the best doctors for skin cancer; he’s highly professional and thoughtful.
This is fabulous - just gave it a quick look, but saving to reread more closely later. So Intrigued and inspired!
Well - let me just pick out two weeks of drawing - I had a little heart attack on our cruise ship, between Rhodos and Creta - and recovered those two weeks in a nice hospital in Heraklion. Now, that is just next to what is left of the ancient Knossos, and Theseus cum other youngster hostages from Athens must have landed in Heraklion, too. I knew it from earlier visits - also the oldest European Law (on stone blocks in Gortys: 650BC) and the participants in Troy: Phaistos.
Inspiring though was the 'Tauromaquia" (as Goya would call it) of which Knossos is so famous.
Now what? - I wanted to add those sketches, drawings here - but there is no such option!
D... it! Why talk about it - if you can't send it?
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Would love to see your drawings. Glad you are recovering from a 'little' heart attack too!!! Am going to Greece in April for 2 months and love the place & the ancient history. May you enjoy much more art & history in 2025.
It's my field since school (an old Latin school dating from near 1250 AD). That is also why I would wish I could spent three weeks or so in Gortyn, just across Crete island to its South coast, to sit down and translate the 'Code of Gortys', the old law blocks from about 650-700 BC. Also nice the foundations of Phaistos, acity that took part in the War in Troya (about 1200 BC marked between older and younger layers by its signs of burning). As said: My field: Philosopher and Historian (plus Linguist).
Looking fwd to it. Fascinated by ancient history too.
great piece -- great job. Very inspiring!
Great article and best of luck! Curious how you segment the 30 day challenge out from your regular subscription offerings? Do you use the Section feature or something else?
Hi Shelby, ya Wendy uses a section dedicated for the practice titled, "30 Days of Drawing, 2025"
Thanks, Matt! It's a brilliant idea. This was such a great article too.
Great article and I am glad inspired! To paint draw and grow my subscribers. How many paid subscribers came from the first thirty day challenge?
Suppose I wanted to share the 30 day series, on an individual basis. Like I connect with a person, and invite them to the series and community, and then they can start the series and go through it sequentially whenever they have the time? Could you do that?
We are keeping it up through the end of feb then taking it down. That way it is inclusive of people’s calendars, but the colllective experience is special when it happens.
great tips, thank you
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I found out about Substack through Wendy’s newsletter. Her incredibly disciplined yet creative approach to both her work and how she runs her newsletter has been a tremendous source of inspiration. I'm so glad to see her featured in this series.
What a great piece. "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain," and companion workbook by artist, and UCLA faculty member, Betty Edwards, changed my life. She was the first to use neuroscience research findings for drawing, and seeing pedagogy. Roger Sperry did a great deal of his groundbreaking neuroscience research at UCLA.
Betty is a huge inspiration and gets major shout outs in the 30 days (and all my work, always) - we all are so indebted to her!
You've created this wonderful 30 days of drawing media series. Suppose you wanted to rerun it every six months. Would you have to create a new Substack account to do that?
I don’t rerun the series - it’s new every time (at least for now) because it’s an experience and experiment for me just as much the community. We really do it together. I think 1x a year is good for a monthly challenge. We do periodic weekly ones throughout the year to brush up.
Loved reading this. Thanks for sharing, Wendi.
Excellent! Such a good tonic for your soul.
Community is everything. I can use many of these strategies to build my Substack. Thanks for sharing. 😊
Art opens a person to acceptance and problem solving. Very good for healing and of course finding a better way to live!
Fabulous. Love Wendy and her ideas about drawing as a form of connection. I feel that too, it’s all about paying attention.
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I just have to mention as a non-morning person my WHOLE life, this practice along with doing goal setting (Bingo style card-google it) has me waking up at 8 a.m. naturally. As long as i'm in bed by midnight (it was 2-3 a.m.) my body rhythm has been changing over the 30-day challenge. A friend gifted me the Draw Together subscription and i plan on continuing through out the year. This was life-changing. I do have to give a shout out to @beam for their hot chocolate for sleep. I was thinking it's psychosomatic but really, i think everything combined is working. Thank you, @Wendymac
Thank you for sharing & building a community through art. I have been a member of a small group (5) of us who have met via Zoom since Covid pandemic to share & support our art making & creative journey. We all have grown so much & continue to do so and are proposing an actual physical show of our works. Sharing creativity sparks creativity!
If only we could now create a global family community to figure out how to get these corporatist, paid off puppet politicians and lobbyist psychopaths' out of our lives and all be a community of one global united family. Wouldn't that be even nicer? This world needs solutions. No more money or politics or business, banking, corrupted fake for profits medicine that kills....we know what the problems are, how about creating some creative solutions?
Thanks.
May I inquire if some of us, who are particularly awful at drawing, could join this challenge? I can't draw, but if this were an in-real-life event, I'd bring snacks!
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Super helpful! Thanks for sharing
Do you accept late starters?
I just discovered the Substack email. Yes, I am behind in my email as well! 🥴
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This is awesome!💖
Last year I started a monthly challlenge-like series all about making; it's called Seek To Make. I was originally going to call it The 30-day Makers Challenge but wanted it to be more explorative and about curiosity than completing a challenge in a set amount of time. I choose a different theme every month, but it feels like too much. I originally thought 30 days would be slow enough to enjoy getting into each theme, but I'm wondering if I need to change tactics with it. If there is anyone here with some advice I would love some help!
Sounds good , looks good 😊
If I want to do the 30 days later in the year, and I join as a subscriber, will it be available?
Great timing! I am trying to get back into “studio” mode from a life that has gotten overwhelming. It will take me time to clear the time, but this sure seems to be a “right step” towards that goal! I plan to start the free subscription and move to paid as soon as the next start (February?)….
Hi, Wendy, what you do on substack, I think it is great and generous. If someday, You decide to draw something like the Eiffel Tower or the Arc de Triomphe or anything you like in Paris, just say Hello and we can have a little chat. Virtual chat is great, and when we know someone in the real life, it is great too ! And with the help of Google Translate, we can read that in French :
Salut Wendy, ce que tu fais sur substack, je trouve ça génial et généreux. Si un jour, tu décides de dessiner quelque chose comme la Tour Eiffel ou l'Arc de Triomphe ou tout ce que tu aimes à Paris, dis juste bonjour et on pourra discuter un peu. Le chat virtuel c'est génial, et quand on connait quelqu'un dans la vraie vie, c'est génial aussi !
I live in the UK and am intrigued. How much does it cost to join? Thank you.
Just a little different art than Jon McNaughton, as is the spelling of the last name ;-)
I love this! I just got a new sketch book that I'm using to make a daily drawing journal for 2025☺️
Thanks for your insight. I'm still at a loss at how to do similarly with my style of writing on Substack, so I look forward for more hints.
Thanks for the interview! It was an inspiration!
Can I join even if I’m not a paid subscriber? Could I get the challenge please?
The first challenge is up and available for everyone. Come take a look: https://club.drawtogether.studio/p/day-1-moreless