For those who haven't seen interviews of Mattias Desmet, I recommend the following two. Jerm Warfare is run by Jeremy (I don't know his last name), a very talented and charming political cartoonist from South Africa who, like the bad cat, was an early dissident voice. He's had many incredible interviews with dissidents from all over the globe.

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/mattias-desmet

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/mattias-desmet-mike-yeadon

https://jermwarfare.com/podcast