I had not actually seen this interview; thank you for making me aware of it. After listening, I felt that Cherie Wong is to be commended for pushing back on what she suggested was the Prime Minister Trudeau's deflection of the issue (he stated that he was concerned about the extent to which this story has stoked anti-Chinese and anti-Asian hatred). She intimated that racism should not be used as a shield to fend off criticism (directed at the PM and other political and bureaucratic actors) for their failures. - - - - - CBC Radio's "The House" also interviewed Cherie Wong. Her remarks were (in my view) accurate and compelling. What she said certainly raises questions about how ineffective Canadian politicians, political parties and senior public servants have been in their "response" to the CPC's meddling. FYI, if you listen to that episode of "The House" (https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-64-cbc-news-the-house/clip/15970105-costs-consequences-foreign-interference), you'll also hear a couple of retired intelligence officials (one who worked on signals intelligence collection, the other a career officer of the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service) talking about the issue. What I found frustrating about their remarks (and some of the testimony offered by senior public servants during committee hearings presided over by Parliamentarians earlier this past week) is that they, too, were indulging in deflection. Not because they were being careful not to refute or confirm the allegations reported by the Globe and Mail and Global News. But because they were ignoring the fact that, prior to the leaks, the Government of Canada (and the Liberal Party of Canada) had not seemed to do too much in response to previous reports alleging such interference by CPC officials. - - - - - NB: Whether such a perception was unfair is not important; what is important is that it exists and that the latest allegations have attracted a lot of attention (and caused people to look more closely at how politicians and public servants have dealt with foreign interference in our electoral system). - - - - - Some of the testimony to parliamentarians did shed light on the main issue, which was what did the Prime Minister know, when did he (and his Cabinet) hear of it and what had they done about it. For example, the National Security Advisor did say that the Prime Minister had been briefed a number of times, while the Director of CSIS acknowledged that the CPC's United Front Work Department's activities were a grave concern that his organization has taken very seriously. (the PM had previously suggested that the leak came from CSIS--in fact nobody, except the journalists whose reports started all of this controversy, really knows who leaked the material, as an investigation into the leaks is ongoing). - - - - - Coming back to the interviews done by Cherie Wong (and other members of Canada's ethnic Chinese community), I'll say it again. She (and they) have done Canadians a great service by calling out the politicians and Canadian public servants, including intelligence agencies and the police, for (arguably) failing to do enough about the problem (for decades).