I'm not excusing anything. They consciously did what they did and deserve full condemnation. I guess my point is they appear to be under psychological duress for some reason, the reason for which I've theorized on these boards. We have to live with these people, and I would think discovering the reason for their distress might be a prudent strategy for avoiding future insanity. Maybe their distress is warranted, only they're feeling it and we're not.