They (or most) will NEVER, EVER connect or admit it. It would be (I assume) really psychologically damaging to face that you’d done this to yourself, esp if you were sanctimonious about it at the time &/or denigrated people you thought were idiots. Oops!

My sister was in remission of breast cancer for 20 years ago & after at least a couple shots, turned up w/ stage IV in multi places. That’s suffering enough; I will never tell her it’s her own fault. I’ve gently sent some articles re Fenben & Iver but I have no doubt she thinks I’m a nut. So be it