Thank you both for a very interesting discussion. The question of what to do about the mess we face with the evil of feminism is critical. I agree more with Janice on this one. Imagine you were an adult at a playground with very young children. One of the kids starts bashing another child with a stick. What do you do? Do you work on compassion or empathy? NO! You take the damn stick out of the kids hand and stop the behavior. Then it is time for compassion and empathy as you seek some sort of resolution. But the compassion and empathy come second, When you see something like that you stop the behavior. At this point there is not a simple way to stop what has grown into a feminist monster. But we can clearly speak our truth and call out the hatred when we see it. If each of us did that we would likely be in a better place.

As a therapist who worked many years with the grief and trauma of both men and women I agree that grief is an important part of human maturity. Without it we are primitives in many ways. Having compassion for our enemies is important but should not become a place to hide and not take needed action.

It seems to me that gynocentrism is the underlying element here that has protected feminists from any sort of accountability and at the same time has also been the fuel for them to do what they have done. Funding crazy feminist ideas is what has happened in our world and it has happened due to the gynocentrism of men. Our idiot legislators have poured fuel on a dumpster fire and thought they were doing good deeds for women.

BTW the research has been done and it is clear that it is fathers who teach empathy. They know now that the father's limit setting is instrumental in its development.