That’s an odd way to look at Afghanistan and Iraq when compared to what they were in past. Is ur argument that girls going to school is less preferable than life in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Elections in Iraq, not having the regime leaders driving around pulling ur daughters off streets or taking ur business is worse than life under a tyrant?

If you would like to do crude death counts then that would be a close one considering Hussein & Taliban were not exactly angels in handling their subjects. People being subjects also being an issue if one has an inclination to think such a state is unnatural for a person. - Weakness in ur argument is ur equation for good and evil lacks any input for the natural human conditions of decency and freedom. - The logic of ur argument leads us to two short guys with bad mustache’s still being around, and is, pls don’t freak out, the very same of those in US who use the crime & violence in the US African-American community to point out the problems of the African-American community since the Civil rights era. -