I finally got a chance to listen to this enthralling conversation between

and David Charalambous (whose stellar behavioral science and communication research I featured in this piece: margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/12-com…), and it deepened my appreciation for both of these fearless straight-shooters even more.

Ahmad is now one of my favorite interviewers—he pays careful attention to every word; asks thoughtful, probing questions; keeps the discussion laser-focused; and contributes his own insights and wisdom.

Both Ahmad and David are the opposite of mainstream straddlers (margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter…), and their observations about these equivocating cowards reminded me of my conversation with

as well as Naomi’s searing essay on that topic:

margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/dissid…

naomiwolf.substack.com/p/im-not-braveyo…

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