Bernard Goldberg's avatar
Why GOP Voters (A lot of them, anyway) Adore Trump
David Bross's avatar

For many of us, voting is a rational decision, in which public policy “trumps” personality. You don’t have to “adore” a candidate to vote for him/her (who adores politicians anyway??). And BTW, for all of Trump’s character flaws—and there are many—let’s stop pretending Mr. Biden is a model of virtue and goodness.

John A. Daly's avatar

Personality, not policy, is precisely why most Republicans prefer Trump over the other Republican candidates running for president.

And like Bernie, I'm not sure who you think is "pretending Mr. Biden is a model of virtue and goodness." No one on this website believes that, and I don't think even most Democrats believe it.

Bob Hadley's avatar

While I don't think Pres. Biden is a "model of virtue," I consider him to be a basically decent, good, honest American. I'd think that even if I disagreed with his policies.

Bob Hadley's avatar

Scout's honor! I also think the same of John Kasich, Clarence Thomas, Pat Buchanan and many others whose politics or thinking I adamantly disagree with. I even think that of certain hardcore MAGAites I know.

That's not to say that they don't have certain serious flaws or lapses in judgment., but their decency is overriding.

Here, we are talking about personal traits, not politics.

John A. Daly's avatar

Bob, Biden makes up stuff all the time. Are you suggesting that he believes what he makes up?

Bob Hadley's avatar

Give me some examples.

If you're talking about his saying that he doesn't and hasn't talked to Hunter about his business, I don't know that it's a lie. It's quite possibly true.

If you're talking about Pres. Biden saying Hunter has done nothing wrong, I think that's understandably defensive and, yes, a lie. But it doesn't undermine his general character.

Have you ever told a lie to defend a member of your immediate family who you think is being unfairly maligned or questioned?

I'm 90+% certain that…

John A. Daly's avatar

He has told countless lies, for example, about his past and biography. This can't be news to you. nationalreview.com/2023…

Bob Hadley's avatar

Because I'm not a subscriber, I could only read the first few sentences. The many times I've heard Pres. Biden' "verbal tic" - "not a joke" - it's been preceded by some hard hitting polemic. Of course, a polemic is not a lie, it's an opinion. I guess the writer thinks it's been disproven that Biden went to Mass in HS. If so, I couldn't read that part.

I consume far more conservative and right-wing news media than I do liberal or left-wing news media. And yes, I've heard countless pundits mouth t…

John A. Daly's avatar

>>Just because something with a few kernels of truth is repeated ad nauseum doesn't make it more true.

More than a few kernels, Bob. This has been going on for years, going back even before his vice-presidency (so it shocks me that I'm breaking news to you). Heck, when Trump was just coming on the political scene, and confidently spewing lies left and right, I used to compare him to Joe Biden in my writing (Trump's far worse of course).

All it takes is a Google search:

youtube.com/watch?v=8p7…

thehill.com/opinion/cam…

Maybe you didn't read all my posts above. Again, it's well known that Pres. Biden is given to verbal diarrhea. When he is in that mode, he's amoral: he says what is convenient at the moment and forgets about it - in this way he's similar to Trump as you suggest.

But, Biden's lies are largely inconsequential. Who gives a Fck if he went to law school on a full scholarship or a partial one or if he drove an 8-wheeeler or if he went to Mass in HS or about his grandfather's death ?

I get it: if someone distorts the truth regarding trivia, what else does he distort? But I haven't known him to distort the truth about important matters much. Yes, his position on fracking was an imp. matter, if that is what happened. But if you tar him because of that, what do you do with John McCain or Sen Mitt Romney?

Perhaps if I had left out the word "honest" and said that Pres. Biden is good, decent American it might have been more apt.

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