Caesar or Jackson? It's not a trivial question.

Jeffrey Rosen — constitutional scholar, CEO Emeritus of the National Constitution Center, contributing editor at The Atlantic — joined me for one of the richest conversations we've had on this program. We went deep on Hamilton vs. Jefferson, what the Founders actually meant by "the pursuit of happiness," why Louis Brandeis still has something to say to both sides of today's political divide, and whether the arc of justice is still bending.

But the question that anchors everything: when a president consolidates power, ignores the prerogatives of the other branches, and rules by whim rather than law — is that Caesar? Or is it something more familiar, more Jacksonian, and ultimately more survivable?

Rosen has thought about this more carefully than almost anyone alive. You'll want to hear his answer.

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