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Bear with me if you will. I hope to tie this to Stephanie's mindset (but I can't read minds).

Trying to learn more about the issue I discovered (I didn't know this) that there are more than two biological sexes with implications not fully understood. From this (https://tinyurl.com/ybjwfctv) source: The six biological karyotype sexes that do not result in death to the fetus are: X โ€“ Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turnerโ€™s ) ๐—ซ๐—ซ โ€“ Most common form of female XXY โ€“ Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter) ๐—ซ๐—ฌ โ€“ Most common form of male XYY โ€“ Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people XXXY โ€“ Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births "๐˜ž๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ 7,000,000,000 ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ. ๐˜”๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ช๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜น. ๐˜๐˜ตโ€™๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ, ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ, ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜Ÿ๐˜  ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜Ÿ๐˜Ÿ."

In all of your discussions with transgender people, have any mentioned that they have one of the uncommon non XX or XY biological karyotype sexes? Gender dysphoria would probably be more comprehensible to the lay person in those cases even though the article states the gender is something else.

I've mentioned the following more tersely, but I use the quote: "๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜บ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜บ, โ€œ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ดโ€, ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ช๐˜ณ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฎ โ€œ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏโ€ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜จ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜น. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ง๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ด ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜จ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฑ๐˜ด ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ป๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ, ๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ๐˜ด, ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต."

The tie in (again, I cannot read minds) is that the unbending militancy of people like Stephanie is that they are genuinely frustrated by people (heterosexual men and lesbian women in particular I would think) who respond to โ€œ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ดโ€ with "๐˜ˆ๐˜ฉ, ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ข ๐˜ค๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ด." ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ฑ๐—ป'๐˜ ๐˜€๐—ฎ๐˜† ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—ถ๐˜ ๐—ถ๐˜€, ๐—ฏ๐˜‚๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—ฝ๐—ฒ๐—ผ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐—ป'๐˜ ๐—ด๐—ฒ๐˜ ๐—ฝ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—ฝ๐—ต๐˜†๐˜€๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐—น "๐˜๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด." It is unfortunate that biological sex and gender use the same words (male and female) because this is what we get.

Frustration does not alter the fact that if you start a conversation/debate with an insult as you figuratively spit in their eye, there is not much hope of anything productive following. That goes to the heart of your point that hostile militancy does not help their cause, even when you can empathize with their frustration. When they go further and try to harm you (job, income, reputation) they should expect hostility in return.

A lot of words to agree with you. I do wonder about the relationship between the uncommon biological karyotypes and gender dysphoria though. How often is it a factor, if it is? Does it matter.

Jul 11, 2022
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