I really appreciated this dialogue between yourself and Jena. It chimes with thoughts I have and it is good to see these so well expressed. I also believe that one way forward is through telling/sharing/showing our personal experiences, as they become authentic connections with others’ different experience and so we co-evolve. I particilarly liked:

I began to recognise that language makes a lot of these conversations difficult. When you say that you prefer to think of the universe as ‘magical’, I love the idea of it being ’slippery’ and ‘queer’! And, as you point out, we can mean radically different things when we use words like ‘consciousness’ and ‘soul’.

… and

...the falling away of ‘meaning’…

"Radical Acceptance" is now in my vocabulary and I should also say I like the sense of ordinary that was somewhere in the conversation, we are far too intellectual too often!

Thanks Elspeth