Imho, we should be careful not to make claims that are easily refutable. My own two separate clots, decades ago but separated in time by 4 years, were just below the site of an old major knee surgery. Each one had other precipitating factors on top of the old surgery. There can be impingement by the scar on the vessels, or perhaps the architecture of the area was changed such that a vessel has a more serpentine route, leading to reduced or less smooth flow at that point. There have also been young people who died suddenly, decades ago, including a fit, active duty 35-year-old physical therapist whom I knew personally, who died suddenly while running on a treadmill one early morning. His post-mortem exam showed he had a heart attack. In the 'old days,' it was also not uncommon to discover a previously-undiagnosed congenital heart defect, such as Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome, in a young person who died suddenly, including quite young people, well before puberty. I do believe the injections can cause clots (and other problems), but I think our messaging has to be solid, in order to persuade those who don't yet see their risks. The life insurance data and disability claims data, as shared by Ed Dowd and others, is difficult to refute. In the cases Dowd included in his book, Cause Unknown, these other identifiable and known causes have not been named, so in those cases suspicion for an injection adverse event, being hidden "to reduce vaccine hesitancy," for the love of all that is good, would be higher.