Karl again says : "I don’t know where or from whom the myth of NATO rollback arose from, but as you can see there’s absolutely zero in either proposal suggesting any such thing. The closest is Article 4, but that has nothing to do with rolling back; it only deals with the deployment of military forces on the territory of non-NATO states at that time—it says nothing about the removal of those states from NATO."

I say you have this wrong Karl. Can you provide any examples where people using the ph…