Although I dislike the anti-choice position, I can have some empathy with those who believe it's murder. It *is* life starting at conception. Does 'God' have a problem with it? I don't know, the Bible isn't clear on it. Jesus never had anything to say about it unless no one bothered to write it down. It was absolutely going on in his time, with herbs rather than physicians.

But, I get what the abortion-is-murder crowd - those who actually believe that, not the ones who say it for political purposes - and I can't fault the logic that it's *always* wrong even if conceived by rape. It's not the baby's fault, right? The Catholic Church goes too far in only mandating (however unobserved by the laity) that sex is *only* for procreation, but it is, in a certain spiritual sense, understandable. However, I think that would fall under a higher morality that most people don't attain unless they're monks, nuns or mystics (generic religious refererence here). Just as I think ascetism is something might strive for if one has dedicated one's life to spirituality and holiness, but it shouldn't be *mandated*.

I do, however, question whether anyone has a 'right to life', and the world is full of many people who've wished their mother had simply had an abortion. Life may be sacred, but it's also damn hard and it can be a real nightmare for many for reasons that have nothing to do with them. So I question whether anyone has a 'right' to be born, and I also argue every child should be a *wanted* child. And that, in a better world, people would think about what they're getting into before they make a baby. And consider whether they're really up to the task, because not everyone is.

I'd like to see abortion made unnecessary which most 'pro-lifers' are unwilling to do. They actually create more abortions with their anti-sex, anti-birth control, anti-education attitudes. Those that fight hard to make sex riskier fight hard to ensure the need for abundant abortion clinics.