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James Howard Kunstler's avatar
No, The Truth Is Not Just Another Story
NothingButNet's avatar

The Truth?? To Democrats and their media sycophants, the truth is Their Truth. Exposing the actual truth will be an exhausting and difficult task for the Trump administration. Many will be hoisted on their own petard and deservedly so. The legacy media will be exposed for the frauds that they’ve openly become and should, by the end of Trump’s term, be formally consigned to the dustbin of history.

More complicated will be the exposure of those people and organizations who actively conspired to ov…

elysianfield's avatar

"The Truth?? To Democrats and their media sycophants, the truth is Their Truth"

Net,

Sooo, the actual truth will be "our truth"? The Republican Truth?

Take two decent men, both honest, educated, intelligent. Expose them to the same scenario, and get two diametrically opposed statements of fact. Two entirely different versions of "The Truth". I have friends, intelligent, serious men of real accomplishment in life, who believe that Kamala Harris is qualified to be President of the United States.

I mu…

Lugh's avatar

You've lost your way, friendo. People can be accomplished in some ways and areas, and utter fools in others. Not all knowledge is of equal worth or applicability. One could be a expert on say, stamps, and easily be a Democrat weirdo. An engineer would be far less likely to freak out like this, but it is still possible.

A criminal event will be seen from different angles and by different people with different mentalities. Two different people in the same place won't see exactly the same thing - o…

elysianfield's avatar

Jerek,

The point is that "Truth" is subjective, as you describe. In your analogy, the caveman's son will die with that generalization on his lips.

"There is no knowledge at all. Each moment is brand new and completely unique." Every human, at birth quantifies this fact.

Do you trust the legal system to provide understanding and truth? The system exists to administer the rule of law, not "truth" as an abstract.

Yes, Jerek, I have, indeed, lost my way.

Oh, and an example of the accomplished in my expe…

Lugh's avatar

No, the Truth is objective but discovered by subjects, who are of course very different from each other. A camera records what happened. The eye is a camera, but the mind focuses on the things that interest them and that's what they remember.

elysianfield's avatar

Sooo, the truth is objective but is viewed subjectively? Who will then be the arbiter of truth? With what qualifications?

The Nurenberg trials were filmed. Evidence presented. Truth ordained! Do you believe the objective truth presented? If not, why not?

Intelligent men can disagree, and, perhaps, without fault, both be correct in their own minds. Subjective.

Lugh's avatar

You do not either, so why do you disagree with it? On what basis do you disparage Nuremberg? Because war is hell? Because Sherman said so? Because whatever Israel does it right and if they do it, Germans deserve an apology?

Subjectivities or "people" must train themselves to see truth. Give an Abo a microscope and he will hit another Abo over the head with it or use it to grind grain or berries. As with the Eye of Flesh, so with the Eye of Mind, and ditto the Eye of Spirit. What I'm teaching you…

elysianfield's avatar

Lugh,

I do not disparage, but rather decry the certainty you develop from faith. I did not see overwhelming truth from the trials. That is my point.

I have more than once said that the more I study, the less I know. I have learned not to trade in absolutes.

Eric Fuleftists's avatar

You're deliberately being obtuse, perhaps because you're a postmodernist. Have you ever heard of the empirical method? You know, like real science? Each time an experiment is done, it varies from what is predicted by a mathematical model. Does that make science subjective? No. Instead, an experiment is performed thousands of times, and the resultants are analyzed according to statistics, from which the objective truth is extracted. This is the same process for individuals viewing a situation. A…

elysianfield's avatar

"ave you ever heard of the empirical method? You know, like real science? Each time an experiment is done, it varies from what is predicted by a mathematical model. Does that make science subjective? No. Instead, an experiment is performed thousands of times, and the resultants are analyzed according to statistics, from which the objective truth is extracted.

#String theory

#Dark Matter

"The only hope for western civilization and objective Truth is to completely purge wokusts and their postmoderni…

You're being ridiculous. Just as Socrates showed how much an uneducated slave boy knew, I could show you how much you believe in the Truth if I could just get you to answer honestly.

A dog looks for its master. It comes to a triple fork in the road. It sniffs our the first two, nothing. Then it just goes down the third without sniffing. The process of elimination. Elementary reasoning.

If the Abos want to get the straight story in a conflict, they separate the parties involved and torture them. Then they discuss the results to see commonalities. Cops do the same thing sans the torture in most cases.

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt for being as smart as the Abos, but you're fighting me every step of the way.

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