So what? He also urged us to take the "safe and effective" vaccine and how did that work out? Unbelievably, he's still mad he didn't get credit for operation warp speed.

We can support Trump without following his every utterance like a bunch of automatons. We don't make decisions based on emotional appeals to authority or brain-dead tribal allegiances.

Most of us here have figured out that when 100% of the corporate and state-owned press are all saying the exact same thing, it's not news but a manufactured narrative. Trump, as much as I like him, still either hasn't figured that out or is too afraid to push back. Plus he was badly fooled by the neocon Pompeo, who's never seen a war he wasn't willing to send someone else's kids to fight. Pompeo is as bad as the late John "boots on the ground" McCain.

As much as I despise Obama on 99% of his policy, he had good instincts on this one. This is not our battle, we have no dog in this fight, and it's not worth a penny of our money or a drop of our blood. Thank goodness the public at large seems to be waking up to this fact with polling showing a steady decline in public support of Ukraine as people realize there are no good guys here.