It was a pleasure to riff with Michael Garfield on Tim Adalin’s Voicecraft podcast.

Despite the funky weather that night and sporadic disruptions to my internet connection, I thoroughly enjoyed discussing ‘mythos after progress’ with my two conversation partners. Besides, the whole idea we seemed to be getting at could be summed up in the notion that time does not move in a straight line.

Tim offered some rich and nuanced inquiries that really helped the deepen the conversational flow, and Michael, as always, was brilliant at weaving the many strands of myth and science together to help elucidate a much more “complex-dynamical” view of evolutionary history.

The long of the short as I see in our conversation is this: yes, there are myths after the myth of progress (one could easily say ‘before,’ or ‘beyond’ or ‘adjacent to’ as well), and big picture thinking can continue to weave together stories that are appropriate for a richer, non-linear, evolutionary history.

The story of human becoming cannot help but invoke the presence of myths, and with this being the case, it becomes more a question of tending to these stories, and all their repercussions. Ensuring that our big picture thinking and cultural storytelling is adequate enough to meet the demands of a planetary pluralism.

I hope you enjoy this conversation.

And Tim: thanks again! I’m grateful to be in the mix with so many brilliant minds on Voicecraft.