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I made the following comment in response to part of the interview of Courtney Buterbaugh by The Witching House

“I have a few thoughts on the question about pre-life agreements allowing abuse and rights at 1:17:13 - and my apologies, but YouTube won't let me post URLs.

My view is we do undertake planning before incarnation - planning involving our Guides AND OUR HIGHER SELF (“SOUL”) before we incarnate - on ALL aspects of our life, not only ET interactions.

In terms of the broader context, our spiritual growth is the main aim of that planning, BUT:

- I think it was Jennifer Lisa Vest who made a comment in a YouTube video about why we choose to incarnate during an apocalypse that we can sometimes be like an athlete who wants to test their skills to the limit, but in the personal growth field, so we may take on too much (right now I consider I did when planning this life, but that is other areas of my life, not the ET parts). To put that another way, we ALL are at risk of a case of Dunning-Kruger effect when planning our lives;

- there is already a very well developed field of the rights of Sentient Life which applies here - going back to Jainism (which predates Buddhism) at least, and likely further. This is, IMO, far better acknowledged outside the USA than in it (I am outside the USA), but the sorts of rights described by Franklin Roosevelt as the Four Freedoms, outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 (and subsequently codified into enforceable international law by the Twin Covenants) and further refined by subsequent covenants. Humans already have rights in abduction experiences. ETs also have rights which are being broken when they are shot down or abused by humans. There are, however, issues around enforceability of those rights - but, importantly, in any human-ET interaction, both sides morally and spiritually HAVE rights;

- ethically/spiritually, all beings are accountable for their behaviour. That also means that ETs who cause fear or distress are, at the very least, guilty of sloppy / unprofessional / incompetent conduct, just as humans experimenting on animals should be held accountable for the distress and suffering they cause. Again, there are problems with enforceability, but the rights do exist;

- specific agreements on specific topics have a number of benefits, including making rights better known, and using wording that applies rights to specific situations - the OHCHR has a list of the core international human rights treaties, and that includes the Twin Covenants (the ICCPR and ICESCR), CEDAW (the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women [which I was hoping would be supplemented by a convention against gender apartheid[), and conventions about racism, children's rights, and against “torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment”;

- An agreement about experiencer rights would have similar benefits, but there are issues about who has the right to negotiate the agreements (including whether the USA had a right to make an agreement that affected the rest of the world), and enforcement (which is a common problem in international law). However, IRRESPECTIVE of whether a formal agreement exists or not, experiencers and ETs ALREADY have rights - rights that may not be recognised by any jurisdiction, but still morally and spiritually exist, and can be used to challenge behaviour - if the experiencer is able to think to do so, which is not always the case. And, subject to the rights of people to sovereignty over their land, ETs are entitled to challenge humans for their abuses;

- Finally, we have the right to change our mind - otherwise we become abused slaves to our mistakes.

And I agree that change in consciousness has had an impact on this.”

Jul 16
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11:13 PM
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