Coleen Douglas and I in conversation with Cece Pinero on KSQD promoting our show “Wonder and Awe in the Redwoods.” I tell the story of my first lesbian experience in Santa Cruz, where to find the lesbians in Ireland, and all three of us talk about how much we love redwoods. Coleen sings a song, and I read a scene from A Circle Outside. (If you don’t like this link, search for it in your favorite podcast app.)