I finally got a chance to listen to this enthralling conversation between

and David Charalambous (whose stellar behavioral science and communication research I featured in this piece: margaretannaalice.subst…), and it deepened my appreciation for both of these fearless straight-shooters even more.

Ahmad is now one of my favorite interviewers—he pays careful attention to every word; asks thoughtful, probing questions; keeps the discussion laser-focused; and contributes his own insights and wisdom.

Both Ahmad and David are the opposite of mainstream straddlers (margaretannaalice.subst…), and their observations about these equivocating cowards reminded me of my conversation with

as well as Naomi’s searing essay on that topic:

margaretannaalice.subst…

naomiwolf.substack.com/…