Note to readers: this is a must-watch conversation. Don’t miss it! Hi everyone, In this conversation, Professor Jay Bhattacharya and Mattias Desmet discuss the psychology of totalitarianism and the Illusion of Consensus. They explore the corruption of science, the modern mechanistic worldview, and the alienation of people from each other. They also delve into the role of measurement and measurability, the impact of digital connections, and the phenomenon of scapegoating. The conversation highlights the role of leaders in mass formation and the emergence of totalitarian states. Together, they provide insights into the psychological factors that contribute to the manipulation of public opinion and the erosion of individual freedoms. The conversation explores the themes of mass formation, totalitarianism, awakening, sincere speech, and rejecting the mechanistic worldview. It highlights the impact of lonely masses and the potential for a technocratic totalitarianism. The power of sincere speech is discussed as a means to inhibit mass formation and create genuine connections. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the importance of remaining open-minded and avoiding fanaticism in ideologies.