Yeah I hear you making the forceful case but I’m honestly not sure what he would say that could ever convince bill. I mean what should he say? They get mad at him when he says “I don’t believe the polls” but also “I’m going to give it my all and win.” I feel like they are just fishing for the perfect statement that says “I fucked up and I’m losing” but “im losing and I will turn it around with x, y, and z.” I also think they would then pivot to well another candidate can do x, y and z.

What I feel like they are missing is (1) they think because no one really knows who these good dem governors are their popularity will go up (it’s equally likely to go down and (2) not grappling with Americans will then question can candidate x really be a good president.

Biden is basically saying you should and will vote for me because I’m fighting for you and I have been successful fighting for you. The problem is no one gives two shits how great of a president Biden has been because people hate incumbents (true everywhere)

I’m going to throw a theory I have at you: Biden’s problem is not age, it’s incumbency. Don’t get me wrong the debate was shit and he is old and people don’t like that. However I think it’s a parking spot for the anger and vindictiveness. It’s true EVERYWHERE. It doesn’t matter if you are left, center, right, far right, old, young, or semi-authoritarian. Literally every incumbent everywhere is losing and losing big.