I thought jd won the debate but I am awful at predicting what independents want or respond too.

I also would have loved for Tim to relentlessly attack Vance. It would have made me feel good. I just am not sure it is productive. Trump’s negatives are backed in. I just don’t see how doing the same thing dems have been doing for 4 years will somehow now work.

I disagree with the panel that fact checking Vance would have been productive. He was spewing so many lies I just don’t know if telling the truth would have been effective. I mean who really wins when jd says Trump saved Obamacare and Tim says “he literally tried repeal it 100 times.” I don’t think people would find that argument (1) entertaining or (2) revealing.

Like I said though I have zero idea how anyone could (1) vote for Trump and (2) be undecided.