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“Same week, two Tuckers

Carlson sat with Garcia-Navarro for the Times Magazine interview over two conversations, the first in Maine and a follow-up by phone. The piece dropped on May 2. In the same window, he recorded a podcast conversation with his brother Buckley, a former Trump speechwriter, that ran on Carlson’s own show.

The Times got one Tucker. Buckley got another.

In the Times version, Carlson is theological and measured. He turns Garcia-Navarro’s questions about Trump’s morality into meditations on the universal human capacity for evil. Asked about the antisemitism allegations, he gives the principled answer: he’s against hatred and discrimination based on heritage, no matter who the target is. Nobody, in his telling, should be punished for the circumstances of their birth. It’s a careful performance.

In the Buckley version, days earlier, his brother asked him about Barack Obama. Tucker’s answer: “He really hates white people.”

That’s a… well, it’s a different position.

The pattern holds across the podcast. Carlson tells his brother the COVID vaccine killed enormous numbers of people. He compares the shots to a biological weapon. He tells Buckley the protests after George Floyd’s murder were really a campaign to drive white officers off the force. When Buckley describes the January 6 rioters as representative of the country at its best, Tucker lets it pass. None of this material makes it into the New York Times.

But the most revealing exchange in the whole podcast is the one Garcia-Navarro never got. She asks Carlson, more than once, what his breaking point with Trump actually was. The Times answer is the Easter Truth Social post and the Iran war. Moral, theological, anti-war. Buckley got the real answer. Buckley laid out the brothers’ actual list of grievances, all of which centered on Trump’s failures to punish his political enemies hard enough”