Thanks Louise. Fascinating & disturbing conversation. I have all sorts of follow-up questions for David. Any chance of us followers submitting questions & then you get him back to address them? E.g.

- Are large political changes impossible... or just too late now? With the re-election of Trump, it (so far) looks like a sea-change in the political environment in the U.S. And here in Europe the AfD is starting to seriously influence politics in Germany. Is it not possible that there could be a large political shift here in the UK within the next few years which could bring about very different policies & defuse much of the frustration? Or have we really gone too far already?

- What about inter-ethnic conflict? David talks about the majority white population's anger at the political elites/the state, and that that anger would initially be expressed through e.g. attacks on state infrastructure. He also sees it taking the form of country vs city. But what about *inter-ethnic* conflict, which seems equally plausible to me? Or if that's just a later stage of a series of escalating steps, how does he see the steps playing out?

- Aren't we too old for this? Early on you brought up the age profile of the UK, along with the common view that civil wars can't happen in a country where so many people are old. David said that was mere conventional wisdom & not true. But he didn't really elaborate. Is the age profile of a country completely irrelevant to civil war? And how would the age profile of the UK affect the way any conflict would play out?

- 'Downgrading' was a key idea i.e. the majority population feeling that it's losing its position & feeling defensive & angry about that. In other words, the main impetus for conflict comes from *the majority*. Since recent terrorism, attacks & large-scale protests (e.g. pro-Palestine) have been almost entirely Muslim, I've always thought that if things really started to break down it would be Muslims kicking things off & harassing non-Muslims on a much larger scale. Of course one doesn't preclude the other. But how does David see this playing out?

Anyhow, just thought I'd put these questions out there. Thanks for the very good conversation.