One of my Jewish friends stated that what is going on now in Israel, but also before Oct 7 throughout the Mideast and Africa, is the failure of the nation-state. He didn't say this, but with what's become so obvious since Oct 7 is that as nation-states fail, ideology arises as the dominant factor that will drive future conflicts including civil wars.

Bari, you are right, horrible but necessary to listen to this Honestly podcast. Keep doing what you know needs to be done, and thank you.