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I agree with this, with one exception. I think that it is, in fact, possible to argue people out of the 'pleasure isn't good, but pain is bad position.' Among other things, even worse than implying utopia is worse than a barren rock, it implies it would be morally neutral to press a button that would make no future people ever happy again--and that utopia is no better than everyone just living slightly worthwhile lives with no suffering. That a life filled with love, good food, and general joy is no better than musak and potatoes.

This argument works against a crude statement like "pain bad, pleasure neutral," but fails against the following formulations:

(1) All conscious existence has negative value. What we call "pleasure" can make it less negative, and sufficient quantities of "love, good food, and general joy" can help the value of a life asymptotically approach the zero level, but they can't make existence better than nonexistence.

(2) Lexical negative utilitarianism and related axiologies. (e.g. Pleasure is good, but not good enough to offset even trivial amounts of pain.)

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