It may sound like we're all speaking English, but are we sure that we agree on what "English" is? I fear there's more than just inconsistency here: I perceive serious defects in cognition, as seems to happen with most conversations on this subject. It's like watching a school of fish darting this way, then that. It's painful to watch. The solution: agree on a dictionary that all parties find acceptable. Then, define the terms of the debate. So much better than trying to converse with the intellectual equivalent of a whack-a-mole.