Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley): Israel raging at Hamas for killing Israelis is like a man raging at his shadow for darkening his floor. It’s maddening to see grown adults acting like Hamas are these foreign invaders who attacked Israelis out of the blue because of a hatred for Jewish people, like they’re internet-radicalized neo-Nazis from eastern Europe or something.
Hamas did NOT attack Israel! When will people get their facts straight? Hamas attacked the invaders who are occupying the land of Palestine, as allowed under International Law!
I was reading the other day that there's a big rock in space with our name on it that can't help but hit us right between the eyes. LOL. Probably just the author's wishful thinking, but given the infinite wisdom of mankind, probably more to it than that, but far beyond his ability to comprehend how, wasn't he who wished upon a falling star 65 million years ago that brought about the demise of the dinosaurs? Not to go into it, but we probably all know low life garbage people and they don't have to be Mafia or any other religion, they just are, and then make up excuses afterwards.
Actually “Israel” is a colonialist apartheid state and by international laws and conventions, does not have any rights that supercede the right to freedom of those the people whose land it is occupying. All actions that the Israeli regime exercises to repress occupied peoples are actually therefore crimes against humanity.
Colonialism is NOT a human right.
Of course Israelis, like the U.S. ,have “exceptionalism” as their real national religion and believe themselves to be superior to the rest of mankind, or as they call it “human animals”. Arguably the Israeliis are worse exceptionalists as they disrespect and detest even the majority of people in the U.S. which funds and arms their apartheid. Therein lies the problem. Exceptionalism. And the delusion that anything one does is a “right”.
As I wrote earlier: Hamas attacked those who invaded Palestine! Israel should pull back from Palestinian lands, including all of southern Palestine, the Gaza concentration camp and the West Bank, where they have no right to be, according to the United Nations.
Not really. Palestinians have put up with torture and suppression and occupation for 70 years. Now, after fighting back and taking hostages, they are finally getting world wide attention for their plight. It’s a terrible price to have to pay, but the world’s complacency about Palestine is the cause of such a high price, not Hamas.
Because they are a horror show on the international stage just like we are. Those dirty rotten motherfuckers have even broken the truce one day into it by killing 2 Palestinians and screwing up the hostage exchange. This after not starting the “pause” until a day after it was supposed to start. Plus, they are not letting the trucks with aid into Gaza. They have no honor, no integrity, no word that can be trusted. Talk about living up to the stereotype! And no the MSM is not covering this—only YouTube.
Hamas attacked and killed human beings. It did so because the Israeli state (and Israeli settlers) had been killing human beings for decades. The Israeli government responded to the action of Hamas by killing more human beings.
On your side here; do not get me wrong. It is the child trafficking that gets me every time... and allegedly the tunnels under things like hospitals were built back in the 1980s JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE. 80,000 kids go missing in the US, nearly 10,000 in the UK ... sex, slavery, blood and ORGANS - that is what makes me sick and effing angry.
They attacked to force a hostage exchange, but I am sure they also saw Washington/Israel as weakened as they have just had their ass kicked in Ukraine.
It's not like it hasn't escaped my attention that this whole genocide of the Palestinians thing is just a well crafted psychological operation on the part of the Palestinians to make the Israelis look bad and that Gaza is still the premier Mediterranean beach resort town that it has always been with its scantily clothed women frolicking on the beaches, attracting photographers the world over to capture its beauty.
Where is Thor with his hammer? Greek myths. Roman myths?
Story's written down over thousands of years get changed according to anyone who is in power at the time.
They all are just story's.
Later History was (recorded) after the myths but even then this was distorted.
EG Jesus Christ may have existed but at the time this was 'word of mouth.'
One neighbour tells you a story/next neighbour comes along and says.."have you heard this"...........You cannot use 'myth' as a fulcrum before History was recorded.
Yes. And imagine what kind of minds it would take to build an entire country on that bloodthirsty document written by a bunch of hairy old men who were writing to try to justify turning a matriarchal tribe in the Great Patriarchy. So pathetic.
Imagine going to an Evangelical Church (being allowed to speak) and making up a story similar to Jesus Christ but not the same. I bet you some people would believe it and start discussing it then talk to someone else.etc.
Then you come back to them and tell them you made it up!!!!!
What happens to the people who believed you and regurgitated it on and on and on.
There must come a time when someone realises they have been conned!
Of course but that is no justification for Islamic terror. Jesus was supposed to stop all that. Mohammad then came and negated Jesus, as the "final prophet". to motivate all the invasions and terror, raping, slavery etc. All to further Islam. Do some research. It is evil incarnate, a religion of loopholes. Everything is OK to further Islam except between Muslims, and then they are warring between Sunnis and Shiites. Never ends with them. See Jihad Watch for starters.
Again, read the old testament, with its genocide, incest, rape, slavery, slaughter, then the entire bloody history of Christianity; including the inquisition, crusades, witch-hunts targeting women, etc, etc, and then get back to me with your diatribe.
And speaking of terror, you might bother to check out the actions of the U.S. government globally, and how they unleash terror on multiple countries on a daily basis, mostly out of sight of American citizens who are forced to pay for the carnage.
I was teaching when that whole thing was shut down by Ronnie the Con, because he so hated the Uprising of Students in Berkeley while he was in California. By god, no more social studies, no more civics will be taught in OUR schools. They might actually rise up to defend our principles if they know them. Can’t have that! And by the way, let the queers die. They did it to themselves. Doddering old fool.
Most COUNTRIES study spelling in school. Speaking of dim....
And do you actually think that schools anywhere teach the details about U.S. government black ops/other military operations happening around the world, when some of your own governments are clueless?
You are deflecting, cowboy. The Khazar/European Jews infested Palestine, stole Arab land, illegally created their racist sewer, ethnically cleansed it and proceeded with a slow Holocaust.
THAT is the root problem. All the rest of your drivel is invalid crap.
what a narrow perspective. Have you never heard about Ireland and how the Protestants and Catholics were at war for years and years? So do you think Christianity is also "evil incarnate"? Open that little mind of yours
Invading and occupying other people and importing jews from around the world to supercede and disposses and imprison and kill them is ok, because Jehovah says so?
As a fellow Caitlin's forum commenter, specifically for my favorite Jeano as well as others:
- in a long thread to find out whom a particular response is for, click on the vertical line just to the left of the response. This will collapse all of the responses to the comment in question. The collapse will be in the form of the button saying "Expand comment replies". Clicking on it will reveal the comment and all of the tree once again.
Israel hasn't just destroyed its own reputation, but the reputations of the leaders of the global north who have enabled this genocide, sending money and weapons. It's also destroyed the reputation of global institutions who have not stopped it. And the reputation of mainstream media with its biased reporting.
When this has all ended the world will be a radically different place, with people radicalized after taking to the streets and doing everything they could to support Palestine and get a ceasefire.
Yeah, just got back from a protest demo/walk terminating at the office of our local [tory] MP. He has demonstrated via a cease-fire vote (on our alleged behalf) that it was just fine and dandy for israel to continue slaughtering children. Our own highly vocal protest was cathartic, yes, but the trouble is going for a walk doesn't cut the mustard. The dogs bark but the caravan moves on...
Well done to all of you who went. I really do think it makes a difference.
You know the POWER really is with the people I sincerely believe this. IF enough would get out and away from their TeeVees we can ALL make a difference. Next time you go protesting bring more and more friends with you.
I live in France where we are always protesting. The last one on 'rasing the retirement age' didn't SEEM to work but politicians are noticing. This means that the next President to be will use it as a tool.
Honestly when this is all over with the gaza skirmish will be forgotten, we are headed into world wide civil war against the establishment and the system. When that conflicts heats up like Ireland nobody will care about Israel.
And they’ve been doing it for so long that maybe, just maybe, we are at a turning point. Greenwald, Assange, Chelsea Manning, that all have been trying to wake us up for decades. Maybe they’ll be vindicated now.
"If you’ve ever wondered why society’s most famous and influential voices all have dogshit status quo politics, just look at the current purge of pro-Palestine actors in Hollywood. If your own elite class interests and having loyalty to your rich friends isn’t enough to keep you supporting the empire’s information interests, you’ll just get thrown out."
It's not just celebrities. Being amenable to blackmail appears to be one of the qualifications for entrance into the elite. See: Epstein, J.
Yet again, Caitlin, you say the things I say in a much more erudite way. All you say is entirely true.
Actors and actresses who speak out against Israel and Jews will be defined as anti-Semitic, though genuine criticism is not that, because Hollywood is owned and run very largely by Jews.
A huge amount of American films are pro-US: so much product is the US taking on the bad guys and winning. It’s all part of the dissemination of the US Empire’s propaganda.
speaking against Jews is anti Semitic. Speaking out against Israel and Zionism is not anti Semitic. It is speaking out against a colonizer and a negative ideology. When we speak out against other countries we are not called anti the people who live there. It is understood that we are opposing the way that country is governed.
Susan T: I don’t agree that speaking against Jews is necessarily anti-Semitic.
Antisemitism is equated by Jews as deeply offensive racism. Mild criticism of another race is only a criticism and not necessarily racist. Direct abuse of all the people of a particular creed or colour is racism.
Consequently, mild criticism of Jews is not necessarily anti-Semitic. Antisemitism is defined as prejudice against, discrimination towards or hostility to Jews. Mild criticism is not those things.
One other point here is that Semites are actually people of all the Abrahamic religions so not only Jews, though Jews seem to have conflated the term.
Calling every mild criticism anti-Semitic is an easily understood term which Jews use to become very angry, justifying very hostile responses. The problem with this is that it devalues real antisemitism.
interesting rationalization of racist attitudes. So if you just say something that is teensy bit demeaning about someone, it isn't really all that bad. Hmmmm. And, I guess, you get to decide if it is mild or not. No matter what the person criticized feels. I have experienced that as a woman. You know "can't you take a joke?"
Susan T: a mild criticism of someone isn’t necessarily bad. If we were colleagues (and I don’t think we are!) and you told me some work I had done was not up to standard or was wrong, it would depend on how you told me. If you just pointed out my error and, perhaps, suggested an alternative, that would not be problematic. However, if you called out my work in front of other colleagues and did it in a demeaning way, that would be less acceptable or even unacceptable.
There is a question of degree.
My point previously was that Jews have a tendency to take great exception to mild criticism. If we protest against Israeli actions in Palestine, as most on these Caitlin related threads do, we can’t justifiably separate the actions of a country from the people in charge who are ordering such actions. Consequently, we can say Netanyahu and others within his government are responsible for the actions. I think it can also be assumed Netanyahu and his cabinet are Jewish: I doubt they would be in their roles if they were not. This means, logically, that we are criticising Jews. This, to my mind is not antisemitism, it is a statement of fact.
I also believe, as I have commented before, we should not divorce the actions of people in charge from what is going on in Gaza. Support for Israel is not from the US as a country, it is specific people such as Biden. If we don’t accuse specific people of things they do which we find unacceptable, we do ourselves an injustice and weaken our complaint, making us to a degree, complicit in what they do.
and if I told you your work was not up to standard because white guys like you have a tendency to do substandard work, what would you think about that?
I’d actually find it amusing and an interesting observation. I do also feel some people become terribly offended by mild comments. It is , I feel, a question of balance. By being easily offended by every mild criticism (to use that phrase again) devalues actual racism or antisemitism.
Lots of people "have a tendency to take great exception to mild criticism". Criticizing someone's work is not the same as telling them because they are a woman, a man, a jew, a christian, a person of colour, gay, trans or whatever that they are however they are because people like them have some kind of tendency. We can certainly separate the behaviour of people governed from those governing. Those governing have a lot of power that is different from the power that those governed have.
I can only assume I am not explaining my view clearly. The point I was making in my comment about work was to show what I feel is the difference in the way criticism is made. Indeed, Netanyahu’s job does include his decisions regarding the action of Israel over Palestine and those decisions are at the behest of people, not a nationality.
I do not think criticism of Israel over what I feel is a disproportionate response against the Gaza Strip is either racist or antisemitic and I also think, due to the huge number of people around the world who are marching in favour of a ceasefire, largely because of Israel’s disproportionate response, feel the same way.
also, Biden is Catholic. So I guess, to your way of thinking, Catholics have a tendency to support fascist regimes so that they and their cohorts can make a lot of money and maintain their power.
Here's Zionism's problem, illustrated when Bibi et al. roll out allusions to Biblical references like Amalek. According to sane humanist rabbis, these references should be interpreted metaphorically -- as should the entire old testament in my view. Although Amalek, for example, was literally the obliteration of an enemy of ancient Israel, these rabbis see it as NO justification for killing anyone now, but rather as a metaphor perhaps calling upon us to stamp out evil inclinations within ourselves. But to take it literally, use it as justification for murdering Gazans, means that Zionism is attempting to bring cultural values of 1400 BCE (era of Joshua) into the modern world. This strikes me as lunacy.
That’s because it IS lunacy. Like the born agains who were carrying on about Jesus coming back with a sword? It’s somewhere in John I guess. The Lamb as the warrior. But I’m so glad for these reactionaries—they do more to discredit their various religions than all the atheists’ brilliant reasonings down thru the years can possibly do.
Right. Throw fundamentalist Christianity in there too. No shortage of religions unwilling to drop the literal interpretations that trap them in the past. Got no use for any of it, except Naturalism -- because the biosphere continually connects with its past -- but actively via adaptive change; not stuck like human-fabricated dogma. Nature brings its past into the present in adapted form; if only these other religions would follow suit.
It’s it any better with the U.S. led by zionists conducting holy war against the Middle East?
I mean that’s the thing. In the past few weeks people like Blinken and Seldowitz have let it slip: they said the quiet part out loud. And it’s dawned on everyone around the world that, no this wasn’t a coincidence and it wasn’t conspiracy theory - we HAVE been witnessing 20 years of zionist jihadism disguised as a “war on terror” and waged under the U.S. flag. More like a war OF terrorism though.
That’s what they branded as the “Project for a New American Century” : a wave of global terrorism under various pretexts.
Unfortunately the theocracy called Israel is way further down that path and in no position to point fingers.
Any national that mobilises 18 year old girls and sends them out with guns to wage war, should ask itself hard question about what is going wrong inside. Because it is literally breeding trauma.
Israel has done far more than to damage its image. It has doomed itself. After this, there will be a real BDS movement in America. Israel has no more chance of surviving what is coming than apartheid South Africa did.
I don't think its American thugs will be able to accomplish that. When I see rabbis holding signs of Israeli flags with the red circle-and-slash over them, denouncing Zionism as being anti-Jewish, I see that the tide has turned.
I'm 65, and I've never seen American Jews, not to mention MOST others, not supporting Israel to the hilt before. This is new. I think I'll call it Imperial Fatigue.
I hope to God that you prove correct. Right now the calculation is that if they only can obtain compliance by brute force, then that is what they'll do. Unless and until the masses can respond with like force applied to the elites themselves, they won't lose a minute's sleep.
"All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force."
I hope this is true, but I don’t think international politics will allow for it. Nobody wants an expanded war in the Middle East and a vacuum where Israel disappeared would cause more war. Plus, I’m afraid that the US has to implode before we’ll stop supporting Israel, and while the Empire is crumbling, I don’t see any implosion yet. But we can always hope!
Right on Caitlin! And many thanks for not falling into that trap and quoting ad nauseum about condemning “Hamas’ vicious, unprovoked attack on Israel”.
If this attacked wasn’t provoked, I don’t know what the fuck it was.
And in what world does Susan Sarandon “need” a talent agency? Her work speaks for itself! ( Apologies; I’m not familiar with Melissa Barrera.)
Last night the MSM was on the released hostages like a fly on dogshit, cramming into our silly heads as how they would require “psychological help”.
As if the Gazan orphans don’t need Psychological Help. Or the man who had to identify his five children by their body parts doesn’t need Psychological Help. Or those forced to evacuate time and time and time again don’t need.. well, you get the picture. As I mentioned before, I could give a flying fuck less about a handful of hostages.
Finally, a shout-out to POPE FRANCIS for correctly calling IsraHell’s action TERRORISM. For many millions of people, His Excellency’s words mean a great deal.
Thank you for watching the MSM so I don’t have to!!! Their constant propagandizing makes me vomit. Plus, on Hindustani News, I read that the hostages held by Hamas feel well treated and not traumatized. Their trauma will come from the “debriefing” they face at the hands of the Mossad/CIA interrogators.
If hamas had attacked Israels soldiers, that is one thing, but to kill unarmed people is something I can’t condone. Some of the comments in this thread scare me.
If you were paying attention, you wouldn’t be afraid. Most of those killed during the attack were killed by Israeli forces who are have a policy of killing their own civilians so that no hostages can be taken. They know about hostages as they have thousands of Palestinians locked up as “bargaining chips”, as they call them. Men, women and children, picked up off the streets over the years for no reason and no crime and no trial. Just locked up. Who’s scary now?
The term “First Nations” came from the tribes that have settled their land claims in the Yukon, which where I came from. It is a term of respect. I don’t think you no what the word oxymoron means. It is quite obvious that you live in the United States. The word America covers all the land between the most northerly points in the United States and Canada and the most Southerly points in Argentina and Chile. This is divided into North, Central and South America.
Hi Britt, I don’t condone anything like that. I am totally aware of the back story between Israel and Palestine. I do not believe in an “eye for an eye” philosophy. What the Israelis are doing is horrific beyond belief. It still doesn’t mean that I condone killing unarmed civiluans.
Research the Oman Dhofar war of 1976, where the Oman government ruthlessly suppressed a rebellion in the Dhafur region with the military assistance of the Brits !
Israel has banned Palestinians from publicly celebrating the release of prisoners.
The U.S. gets nothing in return for the extensive economic, military and diplomatic support that it provides the apartheid nation of Israel. The U.S. suffers internationally on account of its close relationship with Israel, because of its constant vetoing of UN Resolutions to punish Israel for its human rights violations.
There is no alliance and Israel is not our ally. Its government does not behave as an ally does, it has never fought alongside U.S. forces in any of our foreign wars, and its interests are not aligned with ours as an ally’s should be. There is no formal treaty and no binding obligations that require our governments to do anything for the other.
Pundits always grossly exaggerate the nature and extent of the ties between our governments. Israel is routinely called our “most important ally” in the region. Or even our “most cherished ally” in all the world. These are ideological assertions that are not grounded in any observable reality. Dozens of other states all over the world are better allies to the United States than the “most cherished ally” is. And they don’t preside over an illegal occupation that implicates the U.S. in decades of abuses and crimes against the Palestinian people living under that occupation, and none of them enjoys the lockstep, uncritical backing that Israel does. The effect of this constant repetition is to make the U.S.-Israel relationship seem extremely important to U.S. interests when it is not, and that serves to promote the “illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists.”
US oligarchs, many of whom are Zionists with Israeli ties, gain from this policy. They are a tiny handful of people and not representative of the overall demographic, which is NOT dominated by zionists or their enablers. Even in the U.S. which is itself a settler-colonialist state.
The other 98% percent of the pay for the costs. In money. In stress and in a cancerous rot of the national soul.
I loved FInkelstein's comment that Palestinians have the right to hate those who did this to them. I didn't get his comment about Piers Moron and Susan Doyle???
Hamas did NOT attack Israel! When will people get their facts straight? Hamas attacked the invaders who are occupying the land of Palestine, as allowed under International Law!
Correct, and that invader most certainly does NOT have the right to "defend itself" outside its own borders.
ZioNAZI Rothschildistan has never declared what its borders are but the general view is that the are pre-1967.
Invading and attacking Gaza is not permitted, contrary to what ZioNazis inside and outside the racist sewer claim.
I was reading the other day that there's a big rock in space with our name on it that can't help but hit us right between the eyes. LOL. Probably just the author's wishful thinking, but given the infinite wisdom of mankind, probably more to it than that, but far beyond his ability to comprehend how, wasn't he who wished upon a falling star 65 million years ago that brought about the demise of the dinosaurs? Not to go into it, but we probably all know low life garbage people and they don't have to be Mafia or any other religion, they just are, and then make up excuses afterwards.
And the Palestinians actually have a duty to repel invasion and occupation, by all means necessary.
Before you argue with a Zionist
https://nevertrustawizard.substack.com/p/before-you-argue-with-a-zionist
And Israel has a duty to repel those with a mission to destroy them.
Then why do they always kill their own citizens in their attempts to repel, as they did at the concert?
By "those with a mission to destroy them" I assume you're talking about those little kids your country is bombing. Get'm while they're young eh?
Actually “Israel” is a colonialist apartheid state and by international laws and conventions, does not have any rights that supercede the right to freedom of those the people whose land it is occupying. All actions that the Israeli regime exercises to repress occupied peoples are actually therefore crimes against humanity.
Colonialism is NOT a human right.
Of course Israelis, like the U.S. ,have “exceptionalism” as their real national religion and believe themselves to be superior to the rest of mankind, or as they call it “human animals”. Arguably the Israeliis are worse exceptionalists as they disrespect and detest even the majority of people in the U.S. which funds and arms their apartheid. Therein lies the problem. Exceptionalism. And the delusion that anything one does is a “right”.
Yep, but that does not include venturing outside its borders, esp. not into Stolen Territory.
As I wrote earlier: Hamas attacked those who invaded Palestine! Israel should pull back from Palestinian lands, including all of southern Palestine, the Gaza concentration camp and the West Bank, where they have no right to be, according to the United Nations.
is someone trying to occupy Israel?
It’s not a solution. Every side trying to justify its violence won’t solve it but in fact will worsen matters
Not really. Palestinians have put up with torture and suppression and occupation for 70 years. Now, after fighting back and taking hostages, they are finally getting world wide attention for their plight. It’s a terrible price to have to pay, but the world’s complacency about Palestine is the cause of such a high price, not Hamas.
You are right, so why does ZioNAZI Rothschildistan not stop its subjugation and genocide?
Because they are a horror show on the international stage just like we are. Those dirty rotten motherfuckers have even broken the truce one day into it by killing 2 Palestinians and screwing up the hostage exchange. This after not starting the “pause” until a day after it was supposed to start. Plus, they are not letting the trucks with aid into Gaza. They have no honor, no integrity, no word that can be trusted. Talk about living up to the stereotype! And no the MSM is not covering this—only YouTube.
I am surprised YT allows it 😮
Hamas attacked and killed human beings. It did so because the Israeli state (and Israeli settlers) had been killing human beings for decades. The Israeli government responded to the action of Hamas by killing more human beings.
So it goes.
Hamas attacked Israel because Mossad gave it orders to do so.
ISIS shelled Israel from Syria because the CIA gave it orders to do so.
Both attacks are false flags used to justify genocide and war.
Talk about coming in in the middle of the movie and thinking you know the plot!
You forgot the bit that Israel created, trained and funded HAMAS.
... and the other scores of bits showing it was an orchestrated false flag or psyop !!.
No offence intended.
https://youtu.be/cvOSv2fGJ5w?si=8BpwP6xqJE9FEY4g
I would say thanks for the link; but I am about half way through and starting to feel sick.
Sorry but the TRUTH hurts sometimes
On your side here; do not get me wrong. It is the child trafficking that gets me every time... and allegedly the tunnels under things like hospitals were built back in the 1980s JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE. 80,000 kids go missing in the US, nearly 10,000 in the UK ... sex, slavery, blood and ORGANS - that is what makes me sick and effing angry.
They attacked to force a hostage exchange, but I am sure they also saw Washington/Israel as weakened as they have just had their ass kicked in Ukraine.
So sad and horrifying that you are so uninformed. Read the Bible.
The bible is a Jewish construct
It's not like it hasn't escaped my attention that this whole genocide of the Palestinians thing is just a well crafted psychological operation on the part of the Palestinians to make the Israelis look bad and that Gaza is still the premier Mediterranean beach resort town that it has always been with its scantily clothed women frolicking on the beaches, attracting photographers the world over to capture its beauty.
Slaughtering innocent people is OK because they are infidels. Allah says so.
Ever read the old testament? Please.
Old Testament.
We have so many MYTHS which are quoted as REAL.
Where is Thor with his hammer? Greek myths. Roman myths?
Story's written down over thousands of years get changed according to anyone who is in power at the time.
They all are just story's.
Later History was (recorded) after the myths but even then this was distorted.
EG Jesus Christ may have existed but at the time this was 'word of mouth.'
One neighbour tells you a story/next neighbour comes along and says.."have you heard this"...........You cannot use 'myth' as a fulcrum before History was recorded.
This is why most of the Bible is rubbish.
Yes. And imagine what kind of minds it would take to build an entire country on that bloodthirsty document written by a bunch of hairy old men who were writing to try to justify turning a matriarchal tribe in the Great Patriarchy. So pathetic.
Absolutely. Maybe this is where the 'CRACK' is?
Imagine going to an Evangelical Church (being allowed to speak) and making up a story similar to Jesus Christ but not the same. I bet you some people would believe it and start discussing it then talk to someone else.etc.
Then you come back to them and tell them you made it up!!!!!
What happens to the people who believed you and regurgitated it on and on and on.
There must come a time when someone realises they have been conned!
The Bible is nothing but a book of horror stories. Okay, Jesus claimed he was “god” and people bought into it.
By the same token, anyone today that claimed he/she was “god” would be diagnosed as having a messianic complex.
Jesus did NOT claim he was a god.
DO read these books before making pronouncement on them.
“God”; “Son of God”….blah blah blah….
From what I know which maybe a different Christian religion. Jesus was the son of God?
Not in Catholicism, in which I was raised. It’s a trinity; god the father, god the son, and the Holy Spirit.
Didn't someone who looked a lot like Netanyahu say something about "Amalek"?
Gee, I wonder what he was referring to.....
/sarc/
Of course but that is no justification for Islamic terror. Jesus was supposed to stop all that. Mohammad then came and negated Jesus, as the "final prophet". to motivate all the invasions and terror, raping, slavery etc. All to further Islam. Do some research. It is evil incarnate, a religion of loopholes. Everything is OK to further Islam except between Muslims, and then they are warring between Sunnis and Shiites. Never ends with them. See Jihad Watch for starters.
Again, read the old testament, with its genocide, incest, rape, slavery, slaughter, then the entire bloody history of Christianity; including the inquisition, crusades, witch-hunts targeting women, etc, etc, and then get back to me with your diatribe.
And speaking of terror, you might bother to check out the actions of the U.S. government globally, and how they unleash terror on multiple countries on a daily basis, mostly out of sight of American citizens who are forced to pay for the carnage.
Here is the truth.
Why are they 'out of sight of American citizens?'
Americans are lazy and dim.
Most country's study politics in schools.
I was teaching when that whole thing was shut down by Ronnie the Con, because he so hated the Uprising of Students in Berkeley while he was in California. By god, no more social studies, no more civics will be taught in OUR schools. They might actually rise up to defend our principles if they know them. Can’t have that! And by the way, let the queers die. They did it to themselves. Doddering old fool.
Most COUNTRIES study spelling in school. Speaking of dim....
And do you actually think that schools anywhere teach the details about U.S. government black ops/other military operations happening around the world, when some of your own governments are clueless?
You are deflecting, cowboy. The Khazar/European Jews infested Palestine, stole Arab land, illegally created their racist sewer, ethnically cleansed it and proceeded with a slow Holocaust.
THAT is the root problem. All the rest of your drivel is invalid crap.
Beautiful. Succinct and irrefutable.
Thank you 🙏
what a narrow perspective. Have you never heard about Ireland and how the Protestants and Catholics were at war for years and years? So do you think Christianity is also "evil incarnate"? Open that little mind of yours
When was this?
I have to assume you are joking or being sarcastic or something
ALL MYth..same as Buddah.
🤢🤮🤑. Meant for Robert the C. (Gawd, the way Substack does comments, I have to go back and attribute all the time!!! )
Who brought Jesus to Pontius Pilate for execution?
Ohhhhh. Can this be proved?
How many years ago was this supposed to happen?
You can start a rumour anywhere in the World (myth) it gets passed down through generations and the story gets distorted.
It is also true that if you watch Politicians they too distort story's (MYTH).
Have you any clue how idiotic you sound?
@ Robert C
While the Talmud says it is the duty of every Jew to kill goyim.
Nonsense.
Soferim 15: "Even the best of the goyim should all be killed."
Can we all just agree that ALL religions and the derivative religious cults are bad and should be tossed in the dust bin of history?
Invading and occupying other people and importing jews from around the world to supercede and disposses and imprison and kill them is ok, because Jehovah says so?
Absurd.
You are propagandized and need to educate yourself, think harder, go deeper. Research the actual facts and circumstances of the current reality.
And again, who do you mean this for Karen? Ernesto or Robert? It’s so hard to tell on Substack!
As a fellow Caitlin's forum commenter, specifically for my favorite Jeano as well as others:
- in a long thread to find out whom a particular response is for, click on the vertical line just to the left of the response. This will collapse all of the responses to the comment in question. The collapse will be in the form of the button saying "Expand comment replies". Clicking on it will reveal the comment and all of the tree once again.
Not optimal, but quick enough.
Robert C. Btw, I'm atheist, based in reality.
Jeano, we need to start employing “@Jeano”, for instance.
Israel hasn't just destroyed its own reputation, but the reputations of the leaders of the global north who have enabled this genocide, sending money and weapons. It's also destroyed the reputation of global institutions who have not stopped it. And the reputation of mainstream media with its biased reporting.
When this has all ended the world will be a radically different place, with people radicalized after taking to the streets and doing everything they could to support Palestine and get a ceasefire.
I hope so I really do. Out into the streets.
Yeah, just got back from a protest demo/walk terminating at the office of our local [tory] MP. He has demonstrated via a cease-fire vote (on our alleged behalf) that it was just fine and dandy for israel to continue slaughtering children. Our own highly vocal protest was cathartic, yes, but the trouble is going for a walk doesn't cut the mustard. The dogs bark but the caravan moves on...
Well done to all of you who went. I really do think it makes a difference.
You know the POWER really is with the people I sincerely believe this. IF enough would get out and away from their TeeVees we can ALL make a difference. Next time you go protesting bring more and more friends with you.
I live in France where we are always protesting. The last one on 'rasing the retirement age' didn't SEEM to work but politicians are noticing. This means that the next President to be will use it as a tool.
I see this happening all the time.
Good luck.
Jenny, Mick Jagger was impressed with French uprisings. He was in Paris during a riot when he wrote “Street Fighting Man”.
Am a Rolling Stone fan but did not know this.
Thanks.
“Tell me what can a poor boy do
‘Cept to sing for a rock and roll band
Cause you see in London Town there’s just no place
For a street-fighting man…”
Dome Lord:
They can’t run and hide forever.
Thank you for your efforts. It does feel pointless sometimes but it’s little grains of sand that can grind the machinery to a halt.
As Caitlin said—Gen Z rocks. They’re so beautiful they make me cry.
Perfectly stated, Diana. Thank you. Just in case this looks like a condoning of nitbob. It so totally is not.
Honestly when this is all over with the gaza skirmish will be forgotten, we are headed into world wide civil war against the establishment and the system. When that conflicts heats up like Ireland nobody will care about Israel.
It's not just Americans who are doing this sadly.
And they’ve been doing it for so long that maybe, just maybe, we are at a turning point. Greenwald, Assange, Chelsea Manning, that all have been trying to wake us up for decades. Maybe they’ll be vindicated now.
That's my hope.
At the moment it is EUROPEANS who have this problem. Governments in the UK, France, Germany etc are attacking free speech.
Points well made Caitlin.
n.b. Israeli apologists recapitulate precisely the same arguments that the defenders of apartheid South Africa made.
"If you’ve ever wondered why society’s most famous and influential voices all have dogshit status quo politics, just look at the current purge of pro-Palestine actors in Hollywood. If your own elite class interests and having loyalty to your rich friends isn’t enough to keep you supporting the empire’s information interests, you’ll just get thrown out."
It's not just celebrities. Being amenable to blackmail appears to be one of the qualifications for entrance into the elite. See: Epstein, J.
Yet again, Caitlin, you say the things I say in a much more erudite way. All you say is entirely true.
Actors and actresses who speak out against Israel and Jews will be defined as anti-Semitic, though genuine criticism is not that, because Hollywood is owned and run very largely by Jews.
A huge amount of American films are pro-US: so much product is the US taking on the bad guys and winning. It’s all part of the dissemination of the US Empire’s propaganda.
The UK is not usually far behind.
speaking against Jews is anti Semitic. Speaking out against Israel and Zionism is not anti Semitic. It is speaking out against a colonizer and a negative ideology. When we speak out against other countries we are not called anti the people who live there. It is understood that we are opposing the way that country is governed.
Susan T: I don’t agree that speaking against Jews is necessarily anti-Semitic.
Antisemitism is equated by Jews as deeply offensive racism. Mild criticism of another race is only a criticism and not necessarily racist. Direct abuse of all the people of a particular creed or colour is racism.
Consequently, mild criticism of Jews is not necessarily anti-Semitic. Antisemitism is defined as prejudice against, discrimination towards or hostility to Jews. Mild criticism is not those things.
One other point here is that Semites are actually people of all the Abrahamic religions so not only Jews, though Jews seem to have conflated the term.
Calling every mild criticism anti-Semitic is an easily understood term which Jews use to become very angry, justifying very hostile responses. The problem with this is that it devalues real antisemitism.
interesting rationalization of racist attitudes. So if you just say something that is teensy bit demeaning about someone, it isn't really all that bad. Hmmmm. And, I guess, you get to decide if it is mild or not. No matter what the person criticized feels. I have experienced that as a woman. You know "can't you take a joke?"
Susan T: a mild criticism of someone isn’t necessarily bad. If we were colleagues (and I don’t think we are!) and you told me some work I had done was not up to standard or was wrong, it would depend on how you told me. If you just pointed out my error and, perhaps, suggested an alternative, that would not be problematic. However, if you called out my work in front of other colleagues and did it in a demeaning way, that would be less acceptable or even unacceptable.
There is a question of degree.
My point previously was that Jews have a tendency to take great exception to mild criticism. If we protest against Israeli actions in Palestine, as most on these Caitlin related threads do, we can’t justifiably separate the actions of a country from the people in charge who are ordering such actions. Consequently, we can say Netanyahu and others within his government are responsible for the actions. I think it can also be assumed Netanyahu and his cabinet are Jewish: I doubt they would be in their roles if they were not. This means, logically, that we are criticising Jews. This, to my mind is not antisemitism, it is a statement of fact.
I also believe, as I have commented before, we should not divorce the actions of people in charge from what is going on in Gaza. Support for Israel is not from the US as a country, it is specific people such as Biden. If we don’t accuse specific people of things they do which we find unacceptable, we do ourselves an injustice and weaken our complaint, making us to a degree, complicit in what they do.
and if I told you your work was not up to standard because white guys like you have a tendency to do substandard work, what would you think about that?
I’d actually find it amusing and an interesting observation. I do also feel some people become terribly offended by mild comments. It is , I feel, a question of balance. By being easily offended by every mild criticism (to use that phrase again) devalues actual racism or antisemitism.
Lots of people "have a tendency to take great exception to mild criticism". Criticizing someone's work is not the same as telling them because they are a woman, a man, a jew, a christian, a person of colour, gay, trans or whatever that they are however they are because people like them have some kind of tendency. We can certainly separate the behaviour of people governed from those governing. Those governing have a lot of power that is different from the power that those governed have.
I can only assume I am not explaining my view clearly. The point I was making in my comment about work was to show what I feel is the difference in the way criticism is made. Indeed, Netanyahu’s job does include his decisions regarding the action of Israel over Palestine and those decisions are at the behest of people, not a nationality.
I do not think criticism of Israel over what I feel is a disproportionate response against the Gaza Strip is either racist or antisemitic and I also think, due to the huge number of people around the world who are marching in favour of a ceasefire, largely because of Israel’s disproportionate response, feel the same way.
also, Biden is Catholic. So I guess, to your way of thinking, Catholics have a tendency to support fascist regimes so that they and their cohorts can make a lot of money and maintain their power.
Here's Zionism's problem, illustrated when Bibi et al. roll out allusions to Biblical references like Amalek. According to sane humanist rabbis, these references should be interpreted metaphorically -- as should the entire old testament in my view. Although Amalek, for example, was literally the obliteration of an enemy of ancient Israel, these rabbis see it as NO justification for killing anyone now, but rather as a metaphor perhaps calling upon us to stamp out evil inclinations within ourselves. But to take it literally, use it as justification for murdering Gazans, means that Zionism is attempting to bring cultural values of 1400 BCE (era of Joshua) into the modern world. This strikes me as lunacy.
That’s because it IS lunacy. Like the born agains who were carrying on about Jesus coming back with a sword? It’s somewhere in John I guess. The Lamb as the warrior. But I’m so glad for these reactionaries—they do more to discredit their various religions than all the atheists’ brilliant reasonings down thru the years can possibly do.
And Islam is still operating under the warlike commands of Mohammad.
Right. Throw fundamentalist Christianity in there too. No shortage of religions unwilling to drop the literal interpretations that trap them in the past. Got no use for any of it, except Naturalism -- because the biosphere continually connects with its past -- but actively via adaptive change; not stuck like human-fabricated dogma. Nature brings its past into the present in adapted form; if only these other religions would follow suit.
Lovely!!! Thank you.
It’s it any better with the U.S. led by zionists conducting holy war against the Middle East?
I mean that’s the thing. In the past few weeks people like Blinken and Seldowitz have let it slip: they said the quiet part out loud. And it’s dawned on everyone around the world that, no this wasn’t a coincidence and it wasn’t conspiracy theory - we HAVE been witnessing 20 years of zionist jihadism disguised as a “war on terror” and waged under the U.S. flag. More like a war OF terrorism though.
That’s what they branded as the “Project for a New American Century” : a wave of global terrorism under various pretexts.
What Aboutism, based on faulty premises. Poor you.
reply to Robert C: and who is giving the warlike commands to Christians?
Good thing no Christians and certainly no Jews ever used religion to justify their wars.
Unfortunately the theocracy called Israel is way further down that path and in no position to point fingers.
Any national that mobilises 18 year old girls and sends them out with guns to wage war, should ask itself hard question about what is going wrong inside. Because it is literally breeding trauma.
Israel has done far more than to damage its image. It has doomed itself. After this, there will be a real BDS movement in America. Israel has no more chance of surviving what is coming than apartheid South Africa did.
Israel doesn't care, as long as its American thug will crush dissent.
I don't think its American thugs will be able to accomplish that. When I see rabbis holding signs of Israeli flags with the red circle-and-slash over them, denouncing Zionism as being anti-Jewish, I see that the tide has turned.
I'm 65, and I've never seen American Jews, not to mention MOST others, not supporting Israel to the hilt before. This is new. I think I'll call it Imperial Fatigue.
I hope to God that you prove correct. Right now the calculation is that if they only can obtain compliance by brute force, then that is what they'll do. Unless and until the masses can respond with like force applied to the elites themselves, they won't lose a minute's sleep.
"All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force."
George Orwell
Orwell's appropriate. He wrote 1984 as a warning. These genocidal maniacs are using it as a procedure manual.
Feral :
WE will crush AMERIKKKA!
I hope this is true, but I don’t think international politics will allow for it. Nobody wants an expanded war in the Middle East and a vacuum where Israel disappeared would cause more war. Plus, I’m afraid that the US has to implode before we’ll stop supporting Israel, and while the Empire is crumbling, I don’t see any implosion yet. But we can always hope!
It’s not America where it is starting.
https://norway.postsen.com/local/154499/Palestine-protesters-block-the-entrance-to-Norges-Bank-–-E24.html
https://palestinakomiteen.no/join-the-palestine-commitee-of-norway/
https://norway.postsen.com/local/154596
Right on Caitlin! And many thanks for not falling into that trap and quoting ad nauseum about condemning “Hamas’ vicious, unprovoked attack on Israel”.
If this attacked wasn’t provoked, I don’t know what the fuck it was.
And in what world does Susan Sarandon “need” a talent agency? Her work speaks for itself! ( Apologies; I’m not familiar with Melissa Barrera.)
Last night the MSM was on the released hostages like a fly on dogshit, cramming into our silly heads as how they would require “psychological help”.
As if the Gazan orphans don’t need Psychological Help. Or the man who had to identify his five children by their body parts doesn’t need Psychological Help. Or those forced to evacuate time and time and time again don’t need.. well, you get the picture. As I mentioned before, I could give a flying fuck less about a handful of hostages.
Finally, a shout-out to POPE FRANCIS for correctly calling IsraHell’s action TERRORISM. For many millions of people, His Excellency’s words mean a great deal.
Thank you for watching the MSM so I don’t have to!!! Their constant propagandizing makes me vomit. Plus, on Hindustani News, I read that the hostages held by Hamas feel well treated and not traumatized. Their trauma will come from the “debriefing” they face at the hands of the Mossad/CIA interrogators.
You’re very welcome, Jeano 😉
As I’ve mentioned before, one has to know how the enemy thinks!
In the brief images I saw of the hostages, they appeared to be clean and well fed, unlike the residents of Gaza…
If hamas had attacked Israels soldiers, that is one thing, but to kill unarmed people is something I can’t condone. Some of the comments in this thread scare me.
If you were paying attention, you wouldn’t be afraid. Most of those killed during the attack were killed by Israeli forces who are have a policy of killing their own civilians so that no hostages can be taken. They know about hostages as they have thousands of Palestinians locked up as “bargaining chips”, as they call them. Men, women and children, picked up off the streets over the years for no reason and no crime and no trial. Just locked up. Who’s scary now?
You must frighten easily.
One of the things I always try to do Gypsy is put myself in others shoes.
Finally Dave, a sane comment in the midst of this muck.
Finally a sane comment in the midst of this muck.
Muslims have been doing this for 1000+ years to all infidels as an excuse to take their land. All for Allah.
what was the excuse the Christians made when they took over America?
The only good Indian is a dead Indian.
I have been looking for a word that encompasses the confiscation of land and the murder/slaughter of Indignous peoples. I think it is "colonialism".
In Canada, the word “indian” has been replaced by”First Nations.”
Doesn't have the same ring.
I have for a long time thought "First Nations" was so much political correctness. I admit to having no knowledge of how it was chosen.
And in America, where I live, "Indian" is an oxymoron. But it's the best we can do. To change words now would lose a lot of written history.
The term “First Nations” came from the tribes that have settled their land claims in the Yukon, which where I came from. It is a term of respect. I don’t think you no what the word oxymoron means. It is quite obvious that you live in the United States. The word America covers all the land between the most northerly points in the United States and Canada and the most Southerly points in Argentina and Chile. This is divided into North, Central and South America.
Hi Britt, I don’t condone anything like that. I am totally aware of the back story between Israel and Palestine. I do not believe in an “eye for an eye” philosophy. What the Israelis are doing is horrific beyond belief. It still doesn’t mean that I condone killing unarmed civiluans.
Hubris. They always forget hubris.
They thought they had such a tight grip on people's minds, too
Thanks, Caitlin! You write, "Israel raging at Hamas for killing Israelis is like a man raging at his shadow for darkening his floor."
But the media's rage to condemn Hamas is like blaming the victim for the scratch on the rapist's arm. (Se The Biggest Little Terrorism: https://joelbentarz.substack.com/p/the-biggest-little-terrorism)
Perfect. And they often do.
Government is all about murder. All governments.
Costa Rica?
..and Oman
Research the Oman Dhofar war of 1976, where the Oman government ruthlessly suppressed a rebellion in the Dhafur region with the military assistance of the Brits !
OK I will look it up I vaguely remember Dhofar war. Oman seems to keep to itself.
However it is very peaceful now and have visited twice. North and South.
South is particularly interesting with many dark skinned Africans selling all sorts of spices.
Frankincense trees which look dead but very much alive.
Beautiful beaches. We could not go further East because of the Yemen endless war.
Went some way into the interior to see a Pottery village. It is now a UNESCO site. Ancient.
This sounds like a tourist brochure.
Liechtenstein?
Liechtenstein's last military engagement was in 1866, they sent 80 men to war. 81 returned, apparently they had made a friend.
😂
🤔
👉 Social Darwinist Ideology Based 🦍 Government is all about murder. All Social Darwinist Ideology Based 🦍 Governments. 👈
🤠🗽 There, fixed that fer ya.
https://soberthinking.createaforum.com/who-can-you-trust/corruption-in-government/msg1119/#msg1119
Agreed, all governments are based in violence and coercion, it is their nature.
O hardly. Just because all you know is western colonial settler nations’ histories’, doesn’t mean you know about “all governments”.
Israel has banned Palestinians from publicly celebrating the release of prisoners.
The U.S. gets nothing in return for the extensive economic, military and diplomatic support that it provides the apartheid nation of Israel. The U.S. suffers internationally on account of its close relationship with Israel, because of its constant vetoing of UN Resolutions to punish Israel for its human rights violations.
There is no alliance and Israel is not our ally. Its government does not behave as an ally does, it has never fought alongside U.S. forces in any of our foreign wars, and its interests are not aligned with ours as an ally’s should be. There is no formal treaty and no binding obligations that require our governments to do anything for the other.
Pundits always grossly exaggerate the nature and extent of the ties between our governments. Israel is routinely called our “most important ally” in the region. Or even our “most cherished ally” in all the world. These are ideological assertions that are not grounded in any observable reality. Dozens of other states all over the world are better allies to the United States than the “most cherished ally” is. And they don’t preside over an illegal occupation that implicates the U.S. in decades of abuses and crimes against the Palestinian people living under that occupation, and none of them enjoys the lockstep, uncritical backing that Israel does. The effect of this constant repetition is to make the U.S.-Israel relationship seem extremely important to U.S. interests when it is not, and that serves to promote the “illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists.”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/israel-is-not-americas-ally/
“The U.S.”. Is not a unified country.
US oligarchs, many of whom are Zionists with Israeli ties, gain from this policy. They are a tiny handful of people and not representative of the overall demographic, which is NOT dominated by zionists or their enablers. Even in the U.S. which is itself a settler-colonialist state.
The other 98% percent of the pay for the costs. In money. In stress and in a cancerous rot of the national soul.
Israel is a big consumer of American weapons and armaments. It also develops software that America uses to spy on its citizens, and on others.
I loved FInkelstein's comment that Palestinians have the right to hate those who did this to them. I didn't get his comment about Piers Moron and Susan Doyle???
“Civilization is a hopeless race to discover remedies for the evils it produces.” Rousseau