They don't care and revel in not caring, part of it due to deeply embedded religious fanaticism of their own.
Make no mistake, I will still feel inclined to be partial and in favour of a country/a people where women are not forced to cover their hair, can have a 100% normal life, etc... but I would note that, as far as I understand, part of Israeli society and Jewish culture is as crippling to women as radical muslims, and that seemingly is at the source of the current unsolvable Israeli-Palestinian problem.
Personally I don't find it acceptable for any religion to be at the crux of any society, or any country, so both sides are, for me, reproachable.
Christianity is the crux of the society you live in, and is even the foundation of the idea of ethical treatment of POWs and the Geneva Conventions (it started with the "Peace and Truce of God" movement around 1000 A.D). It's just that Christianity isn't about power dynamics and rather forbids them (no matter how much Republicans, dictators, and cult leaders use it as an excuse for them). Nobody wants to live in a truly humanistic society, because they all look like North Korea, China, the USSR, etc. Humanism is still a religion anyway; man is god, and the dictator is the most power man, so he is god.
Treating POWs as well as one can is always beneficial with regards to obtaining useful intelligence during interrogation. Probably the best known interrogator in WW2 was German Luftwaffe PFC Hanns Scharff. He was arguably the best at his job in the entire National Socialist Germany. His methods were innovative, incredibly effective and he never used torture or other physical means to extract information. He was invited by the US to teach his methods after the war, and he immigrated to the US, where he died in 1992.
easier said than done. the main benefit of it is to stop the other side from hurting your people. if they do it anyways tho theres little incentive to play fair.
who's going to hold them accountable?? you cant really bring a country to court lol. they either play fair or they don't. nothing you can do.
also disagree that they are out of the game. a true enemy will still try to kill you whether they've been captured or not, should the opportunity present itself.
Ryan's point is to treat enemies well, even if the 'other side' doesn't, for the reasons he stated.
Agreed, that you might play fair when they don't, but it's not an excuse to punish one (or a small group) of enemy soldiers, and ultimately not even in your best interests.
Agreed that some enemies may try to kill you rather than get away (or both), but that's part of security measures.
yeah and I don't necessarily agree. if the enemy knows they will be treated well no matter what they do to your guys they have no incentive to play nice because there's no consequences.
German POWs in WW2 were treated humanely, knew very well that they would be so treated, but nevertheless "played nice." Many immigrated to the US after the war. There was at least one who escaped in the US and lived out his life under an assumed name.
I suppose it's possible that some POWs, being fanatics, cannot "play nice" no matter what, but even in those cases, there's no real reason to mistreat them.
because the good guys are good, and if they are not the good guys, they're at least equally bad? And if both parties are bad actors, why should we fund Israel, in this case? The US has had Israel's back because we are told they are the good guys. If they aren't the good guys, they US taxpayers shouldn't have their backs. 3000 years of history has demonstrated that a nation of Jews without powerful allies will be destroyed. With US backing, a Jewish nation has existed for 76 years. Without US backing, less than 10 million Jews in Israel will lose self-governance. You wanna play eye for an eye with these odds? I'm not saying the US are always the good guys. We've got plenty of evil in our past, but the story we tell ourselves is "we're the good guys."
everyone tells themselves their the good guys lol. u think russia thinks they're evil? i don't believe in such a thing. nations act in their own interests and that's about it.
Understood. But I do not see the main benefit as you do. Instead, the main benefit is, as the Israeli government might say, Purity of Arms. In other words, it may not fvck up the prisoners on the bus, but it will fvck up the heads of the people who do the humiliating. Understood also, by the way, is that most Israelis these days are refugees from Arab countries (or their children), so they frequently have a chip on their shoulder for the way the Arabs forced them out. My guess is that Azulai (or Azolai) might be such a family. Most readers of this channel probably underestimate the severity of the pain of October 7. Every Israeli was affected by it. So the silly stuff on the bus is understandable, but still not desirable. (And I suspect that the prisoners do understand the Hebrew.)
lol look at that and let me know if the russians are following the geneva convention or not. wonder how "mentally fked up" they get from this shit. even tho it's part of their culture to have realllly bad gulag worker camps
our side is the only side that actually follows it
Are you aware that Putin has already been convicted of war crimes and must be careful now about where he travels because he can and will be captured and face the consequences of war crimes conviction if he travels to the wrong country? There are consequences, even if some do not understand them.
You simply aren't receiving the message. Right now there are people near you engaging in crime for money through intimidation and the threat of physical violence and/or death. They are doing it. Why aren't you taking that easy route of criminality as well? They are getting away with it and many will never face consequences. Yet, here you are, waging a battle of words on the interwebs instead of hustling on the streets to meet and exceed your financial needs. Why aren't you applying the principles you declare here to your own life?
because I don't need to. for a lot of those people if they aren't committing crimes they're living a life of poverty, ever seen the wire? without all that heroin the characters would be poor as shit
Congratulations. You've just answered your own question about why Israel should not engage in the tactics of terrorists: "...because they don't need to."
As Eliot Cohen states in his essay in The Atlantic, 'When Leaders Fail':
"srael remains a society in trauma. To understand the dimensions of October 7, Americans should apply a rule of 30—Israel’s population being about one-30th that of the United States. So imagine that, in a single day, pitiless enemies had attacked the length of one of our borders, killing some 35,000 Americans, 9,000 of them soldiers—some surprised in their sleep, some fighting heroically in doomed bands of fewer than a dozen. A dozen simultaneous 9/11s, if you will. Imagine some 6,500 hostages taken, and 3 million to 6 million people displaced from their home along America’s borders. And instead of hundreds of rapes and mutilations, thousands. Imagine, too, that the ensuing war has already taken another 5,000 or 6,000 soldiers’ lives, with perhaps 10 times as many wounded, and no end in sight.
It has been documented that the Hannibal "directive" caused loss of life to Israelis on a scale Hamas wasn't even capable of. The merits of this strategy can be debated, but the reality of it cannot.
you can, nobody can enforce it tho. just do sanctions which countries like russia are already being sanctioned to shit and that hasnt done much to stop them
LNG ago talking to a Dutch vet who fought Japanese in Indonesia, he described making pacts among themselves to not be taken alive such as by final “bonsai” charge. He was understood the cultural Japanese shame of surrendering. He described making efforts to encourage captured Japanese soldiers to not suicide. Ordering them to stand to attention, wash, and admit shame of suicide instead of returning to Japan to help others survive a flattened starving mess. But see the contrast with Hamas? They come from a very different brainwash. I find the video to be a mistake on IDF part and hope the creators are punished.
Bonsai is the art of growing tiny trees. I think you mean a Banzai charge. It literally means 'may you live one thousand years' and was a battle cry as they fought for the Emperor.
Yes, but the mental image of half a dozen raggedy ass Japanese Naval Infantry running at you with a bonsai in each hand with murderous intent... takes some getting my head around.
This sounds like a beginning Hebrew lesson, not the way modern Israelis talk. The idea that they're being taken for slave labor for despised Arab Jews sounds like something from the propaganda mill. The earlier version featured a beer-mug graphic. On the other hand, this video comes from a pro-Israel ultranationalist Twitter account called Yanki Coen. Maybe he can tell us where he got it.
You already signed this in the posting, unless ofc you think you posted it anonymously, in which case you didn't, lol.... So adding your name at the end was more confusing than useful ,lol... Other than that I share your sentiment here...
Since I wasn't addressing the subject matter at hand it had nothing to do with that...
Therefore neither does your comment have anything to do with the subject of the comment thread... I was addressing the poster because I felt that they may not have realized what they did... But I stressed agreement with what they said... You, on the other hand, seem to be trying to pick a fight, so to speak, over something that had absolutely nothing to do with you... I won't respond further to this digression from the subject... GB
First off I need to clearly state, I was never in the military; but both my oldest daughter and son were in the Army. Both told a story of being in boot camp (Ft Leonard Wood) and being in a bus blindfolded and driven around the base; here, there and who knows where. (This was pre 2000.) I can envision more than one scenario where prisoners are blindfolded to make it so that they can be detained by fewer guards or blindfolds being used to reduce the likelihood of escape. Neither of those situations seem to be "cruel and unusual" just utilitarian.
Where does gang-raping children to death fall in the Geneva Conventions?
OH. You mean just Israel needs to play by the 'rules'. Right.
Someone needs to tell Hamas that the problem with not playing by the rules of 'civilized' warfare, means that those 'rules' DON'T PROTECT YOU, either.
These guys aren't soldiers, and they're not civilians, they're BANDITS. They are not protected by the GCs and they are not protected by the laws of the sovereign state of Israel.
Please let's not forget that at this moment, according to the information from hostages who were released, it's more likely than not that young women, children, and men are STILL being raped in dungeons in Gaza.
Judging by the interrogations of Hamasniks posted on youtube, the prisoners are being reasonably well-treated: they're singing like birds.
Rape as a weapon of war is not possible during active combat situations. It happens after, and apparently Hamas has taken every measure to ensure the captives were not mistreated. If you think otherwise you are intentionally ignoring what the released captives have said themselves.
Huh?! “Hamas has taken every measure to ensure the captives were not mistreated”?!?!? You mean AFTER they brutally massacred their friends and family in front of their eyes, viscously kidnapped them from their homes, violently hustled back into Gaza, subjected them to local abuse and ridicule, beat, starved and — as recounted by testimony of many returned hostages — raped when in captivity?
It’s been recorded and written about extensively. There is no doubt, there is no question, there is no “if you think”. There’s reality and whatever world you choose to live in. But it’s not this one
That would be the first time in the entire history of warfare that 'rape wasn't possible in active combat situations'. October 7th was not a 'battle' in any understood sense of the term: it was a massacre, largely of civilians. We KNOW from the uploaded GoPro video that Hamas released themselves, and from the testimony of eyewitnesses and responders that Hamas raped women, children, and CORPSES on October 7th. We know from the testimony of released hostages that hostages ARE being repeatedly and routinely raped in the dungeons of Gaza. The released hostages were NOT 'well treated'--unless you believe that holding a gun on a child and forcing him to watch videos of atrocities is 'good treatment'. The evidence is overwhelming and appalling. Good try: you're a troll apologist for the drug-addled, sadistic, pedophile, necrtophiliac, sadistic, psychopathic DEGNERATES of Hamas.
In the current war in Gaza, our modern society is being reminded of how wars are really fought. No holds barred; bare knuckle, and without mercy. One side annihilates the other. Pretty sight huh? I am reminded of the old Roman proverb, "If peace is what you want; prepare for war!"
Making them recite something like this is stupid and certainly a really bad look if it leaks out, and it obv has, but not sure it’s all that humiliating since it’s fairly innocuous and anyway in another language they don’t even understand in order for it to be humiliating.
Bigger question tho:
— Hamas terrorists are not held to international law (hence excluded from any discussion at ICJ Geneva convention genocide hearings), so are they deserving of Geneva convention protection at all? Or is it always just about Israel’s behavior?
Good question. They are either POWs or civilians, if in doubt they are to be treated as POWs under the convention until proven otherwise by a competent authority. Read the Wiki article if you wish. I think they take prisoners as it is more beneficial to Israel to do so than to not take them. If it was better to not capture anyone they would and damn the world's opinion; they know the outrage will be over soon enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant
Thank you for the reasoned reply. I agree as I said that it was stupid, careless, and not beneficial to the goals of the IDF when individual soldiers pull these unsanctioned pranks. As to whether it was actionable or against Geneva convention, while the wiki you pointed to was informative, it’s still a bit questionable whether “non-state armed groups” (aka criminal terrorists) have status to the convention.
But that’s kinda legalistic. The main point is please, please, individual IDF soldiers, please stop these pranks that in this modern era will be used as negative propaganda against you.
Spot on. A 'bit of a laugh' it might have been to some but there are deeper issues at play here. I agree, the Wiki article isn't really clear as to the status one can apply to HAMAS; hence if in doubt treat as POW and have a court inquiry. In the recent Carlson-Putin interview, Putin made remarks about propaganda in the context of it being something that will happen regardless and you can't do much about it so don't worry. Yes, propaganda will be used by both sides but why write their scripts for them?
Hello. Yes, it's always about Israel's behavior. In my opinion, it is impossible to debase the drug-addled, rapist, pedophile, necrophiliac, sadistic, psychopathic degenerates of Hamas further than they have debased themselves. What's a little more humiliation to persons who believe that gang-raping children to death is a form of legitimate political protest? 'Treating the prisoners well' isn't going to make a damn bit if differerence either way. Hamas believes rules are for suckers.
While the Israelis have a great Army, they certainly know to utterly loose the information war.
In the case that you haven't noticed; they don't seem to care.
They don't care and revel in not caring, part of it due to deeply embedded religious fanaticism of their own.
Make no mistake, I will still feel inclined to be partial and in favour of a country/a people where women are not forced to cover their hair, can have a 100% normal life, etc... but I would note that, as far as I understand, part of Israeli society and Jewish culture is as crippling to women as radical muslims, and that seemingly is at the source of the current unsolvable Israeli-Palestinian problem.
Personally I don't find it acceptable for any religion to be at the crux of any society, or any country, so both sides are, for me, reproachable.
Christianity is the crux of the society you live in, and is even the foundation of the idea of ethical treatment of POWs and the Geneva Conventions (it started with the "Peace and Truce of God" movement around 1000 A.D). It's just that Christianity isn't about power dynamics and rather forbids them (no matter how much Republicans, dictators, and cult leaders use it as an excuse for them). Nobody wants to live in a truly humanistic society, because they all look like North Korea, China, the USSR, etc. Humanism is still a religion anyway; man is god, and the dictator is the most power man, so he is god.
*should specify "secularism" as opposed to "humanism" since there are several different meanings for the latter word.
When your enemy has pledged to murder you no matter what you do, why would you care?
Treating POWs as well as one can is always beneficial with regards to obtaining useful intelligence during interrogation. Probably the best known interrogator in WW2 was German Luftwaffe PFC Hanns Scharff. He was arguably the best at his job in the entire National Socialist Germany. His methods were innovative, incredibly effective and he never used torture or other physical means to extract information. He was invited by the US to teach his methods after the war, and he immigrated to the US, where he died in 1992.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Ryan!
Don't be so hasty to dismiss the bus as "not torture". I mean, do we even know if it WAS a Grayhound?
No it was an old yellow bus like they send our children to school in.
easier said than done. the main benefit of it is to stop the other side from hurting your people. if they do it anyways tho theres little incentive to play fair.
who's going to hold them accountable?? you cant really bring a country to court lol. they either play fair or they don't. nothing you can do.
also disagree that they are out of the game. a true enemy will still try to kill you whether they've been captured or not, should the opportunity present itself.
Ryan's point is to treat enemies well, even if the 'other side' doesn't, for the reasons he stated.
Agreed, that you might play fair when they don't, but it's not an excuse to punish one (or a small group) of enemy soldiers, and ultimately not even in your best interests.
Agreed that some enemies may try to kill you rather than get away (or both), but that's part of security measures.
yeah and I don't necessarily agree. if the enemy knows they will be treated well no matter what they do to your guys they have no incentive to play nice because there's no consequences.
German POWs in WW2 were treated humanely, knew very well that they would be so treated, but nevertheless "played nice." Many immigrated to the US after the war. There was at least one who escaped in the US and lived out his life under an assumed name.
I suppose it's possible that some POWs, being fanatics, cannot "play nice" no matter what, but even in those cases, there's no real reason to mistreat them.
i'm more talking about what they're doing to our guys.
if they're torturing the shit out of our guys in their camps i'm not really sure why we should be "treating them well"
because the good guys are good, and if they are not the good guys, they're at least equally bad? And if both parties are bad actors, why should we fund Israel, in this case? The US has had Israel's back because we are told they are the good guys. If they aren't the good guys, they US taxpayers shouldn't have their backs. 3000 years of history has demonstrated that a nation of Jews without powerful allies will be destroyed. With US backing, a Jewish nation has existed for 76 years. Without US backing, less than 10 million Jews in Israel will lose self-governance. You wanna play eye for an eye with these odds? I'm not saying the US are always the good guys. We've got plenty of evil in our past, but the story we tell ourselves is "we're the good guys."
everyone tells themselves their the good guys lol. u think russia thinks they're evil? i don't believe in such a thing. nations act in their own interests and that's about it.
And that is why the cycle of pointless violence continues. You call them vermin and then say you shouldn’t act better. What does that make you then?
And the circle is closed.
You might as well rip up the rule book if you think because someone MIGHT act bad so you act bad to them first.
An eye for an eye can only ever be on the actual perpetrator and should not involve unnecessary suffering.
Deserving a death penalty is not the same as torture and a death penalty....
when did I say anything about first?
we already established that enemy doesn't follow the rulebook anyways so it's torn up already lol. only our side does.
Its called a general principle...
He's not listening, which is too bad.
Understood. But I do not see the main benefit as you do. Instead, the main benefit is, as the Israeli government might say, Purity of Arms. In other words, it may not fvck up the prisoners on the bus, but it will fvck up the heads of the people who do the humiliating. Understood also, by the way, is that most Israelis these days are refugees from Arab countries (or their children), so they frequently have a chip on their shoulder for the way the Arabs forced them out. My guess is that Azulai (or Azolai) might be such a family. Most readers of this channel probably underestimate the severity of the pain of October 7. Every Israeli was affected by it. So the silly stuff on the bus is understandable, but still not desirable. (And I suspect that the prisoners do understand the Hebrew.)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX-xHRN9CnoXto5gcPskANA/community?lb=UgkxZpcVCFyTjg8CcAJN4aKlUeCGeGej5AUv
lol look at that and let me know if the russians are following the geneva convention or not. wonder how "mentally fked up" they get from this shit. even tho it's part of their culture to have realllly bad gulag worker camps
our side is the only side that actually follows it
Are you aware that Putin has already been convicted of war crimes and must be careful now about where he travels because he can and will be captured and face the consequences of war crimes conviction if he travels to the wrong country? There are consequences, even if some do not understand them.
You simply aren't receiving the message. Right now there are people near you engaging in crime for money through intimidation and the threat of physical violence and/or death. They are doing it. Why aren't you taking that easy route of criminality as well? They are getting away with it and many will never face consequences. Yet, here you are, waging a battle of words on the interwebs instead of hustling on the streets to meet and exceed your financial needs. Why aren't you applying the principles you declare here to your own life?
because I don't need to. for a lot of those people if they aren't committing crimes they're living a life of poverty, ever seen the wire? without all that heroin the characters would be poor as shit
Congratulations. You've just answered your own question about why Israel should not engage in the tactics of terrorists: "...because they don't need to."
depends on what that means i guess. i agree that bitching out ppl on a bus doesn't do anything though
Nu? So what?
it's a fking worthless "convention" if only our side does it
Yes. It's like the US Constitution and US Code is worthless if criminals don't have to follow the law.
True. Except, again, it means that we don't turn into animals (whether or not they do).
As Eliot Cohen states in his essay in The Atlantic, 'When Leaders Fail':
"srael remains a society in trauma. To understand the dimensions of October 7, Americans should apply a rule of 30—Israel’s population being about one-30th that of the United States. So imagine that, in a single day, pitiless enemies had attacked the length of one of our borders, killing some 35,000 Americans, 9,000 of them soldiers—some surprised in their sleep, some fighting heroically in doomed bands of fewer than a dozen. A dozen simultaneous 9/11s, if you will. Imagine some 6,500 hostages taken, and 3 million to 6 million people displaced from their home along America’s borders. And instead of hundreds of rapes and mutilations, thousands. Imagine, too, that the ensuing war has already taken another 5,000 or 6,000 soldiers’ lives, with perhaps 10 times as many wounded, and no end in sight.
Yes, it is unfortunate: the world is just not willing to see how traumatic October 7 was.
It has been documented that the Hannibal "directive" caused loss of life to Israelis on a scale Hamas wasn't even capable of. The merits of this strategy can be debated, but the reality of it cannot.
You CAN take a country to court. That’s that the ICC and ICJ are for
you can, nobody can enforce it tho. just do sanctions which countries like russia are already being sanctioned to shit and that hasnt done much to stop them
LNG ago talking to a Dutch vet who fought Japanese in Indonesia, he described making pacts among themselves to not be taken alive such as by final “bonsai” charge. He was understood the cultural Japanese shame of surrendering. He described making efforts to encourage captured Japanese soldiers to not suicide. Ordering them to stand to attention, wash, and admit shame of suicide instead of returning to Japan to help others survive a flattened starving mess. But see the contrast with Hamas? They come from a very different brainwash. I find the video to be a mistake on IDF part and hope the creators are punished.
Bonsai is the art of growing tiny trees. I think you mean a Banzai charge. It literally means 'may you live one thousand years' and was a battle cry as they fought for the Emperor.
The image of warriors contemplatively trimming bonsai is very calming.
Yes, but the mental image of half a dozen raggedy ass Japanese Naval Infantry running at you with a bonsai in each hand with murderous intent... takes some getting my head around.
This sounds like a beginning Hebrew lesson, not the way modern Israelis talk. The idea that they're being taken for slave labor for despised Arab Jews sounds like something from the propaganda mill. The earlier version featured a beer-mug graphic. On the other hand, this video comes from a pro-Israel ultranationalist Twitter account called Yanki Coen. Maybe he can tell us where he got it.
Israel keeps those war crimes coming. Genocide, humiliation of prisoners, intimidation of prisoners, more genocide. Let’s see some ICC action.
Thank you for sharing, I hope your team wins tomorrow. A move is very stressful, take the day off. Charles
You already signed this in the posting, unless ofc you think you posted it anonymously, in which case you didn't, lol.... So adding your name at the end was more confusing than useful ,lol... Other than that I share your sentiment here...
Your comment adds no value to the exchange
Since I wasn't addressing the subject matter at hand it had nothing to do with that...
Therefore neither does your comment have anything to do with the subject of the comment thread... I was addressing the poster because I felt that they may not have realized what they did... But I stressed agreement with what they said... You, on the other hand, seem to be trying to pick a fight, so to speak, over something that had absolutely nothing to do with you... I won't respond further to this digression from the subject... GB
you were trolling
First off I need to clearly state, I was never in the military; but both my oldest daughter and son were in the Army. Both told a story of being in boot camp (Ft Leonard Wood) and being in a bus blindfolded and driven around the base; here, there and who knows where. (This was pre 2000.) I can envision more than one scenario where prisoners are blindfolded to make it so that they can be detained by fewer guards or blindfolds being used to reduce the likelihood of escape. Neither of those situations seem to be "cruel and unusual" just utilitarian.
Randall Ruble
Blah, Blah, Blah.......When do we get to eat 'em ...?
Oh, we're playing by RULES, now?
Where does gang-raping children to death fall in the Geneva Conventions?
OH. You mean just Israel needs to play by the 'rules'. Right.
Someone needs to tell Hamas that the problem with not playing by the rules of 'civilized' warfare, means that those 'rules' DON'T PROTECT YOU, either.
These guys aren't soldiers, and they're not civilians, they're BANDITS. They are not protected by the GCs and they are not protected by the laws of the sovereign state of Israel.
Please let's not forget that at this moment, according to the information from hostages who were released, it's more likely than not that young women, children, and men are STILL being raped in dungeons in Gaza.
Judging by the interrogations of Hamasniks posted on youtube, the prisoners are being reasonably well-treated: they're singing like birds.
Rape as a weapon of war is not possible during active combat situations. It happens after, and apparently Hamas has taken every measure to ensure the captives were not mistreated. If you think otherwise you are intentionally ignoring what the released captives have said themselves.
Huh?! “Hamas has taken every measure to ensure the captives were not mistreated”?!?!? You mean AFTER they brutally massacred their friends and family in front of their eyes, viscously kidnapped them from their homes, violently hustled back into Gaza, subjected them to local abuse and ridicule, beat, starved and — as recounted by testimony of many returned hostages — raped when in captivity?
It’s been recorded and written about extensively. There is no doubt, there is no question, there is no “if you think”. There’s reality and whatever world you choose to live in. But it’s not this one
That would be the first time in the entire history of warfare that 'rape wasn't possible in active combat situations'. October 7th was not a 'battle' in any understood sense of the term: it was a massacre, largely of civilians. We KNOW from the uploaded GoPro video that Hamas released themselves, and from the testimony of eyewitnesses and responders that Hamas raped women, children, and CORPSES on October 7th. We know from the testimony of released hostages that hostages ARE being repeatedly and routinely raped in the dungeons of Gaza. The released hostages were NOT 'well treated'--unless you believe that holding a gun on a child and forcing him to watch videos of atrocities is 'good treatment'. The evidence is overwhelming and appalling. Good try: you're a troll apologist for the drug-addled, sadistic, pedophile, necrtophiliac, sadistic, psychopathic DEGNERATES of Hamas.
In the current war in Gaza, our modern society is being reminded of how wars are really fought. No holds barred; bare knuckle, and without mercy. One side annihilates the other. Pretty sight huh? I am reminded of the old Roman proverb, "If peace is what you want; prepare for war!"
Making them recite something like this is stupid and certainly a really bad look if it leaks out, and it obv has, but not sure it’s all that humiliating since it’s fairly innocuous and anyway in another language they don’t even understand in order for it to be humiliating.
Bigger question tho:
— Hamas terrorists are not held to international law (hence excluded from any discussion at ICJ Geneva convention genocide hearings), so are they deserving of Geneva convention protection at all? Or is it always just about Israel’s behavior?
Good question. They are either POWs or civilians, if in doubt they are to be treated as POWs under the convention until proven otherwise by a competent authority. Read the Wiki article if you wish. I think they take prisoners as it is more beneficial to Israel to do so than to not take them. If it was better to not capture anyone they would and damn the world's opinion; they know the outrage will be over soon enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant
Thank you for the reasoned reply. I agree as I said that it was stupid, careless, and not beneficial to the goals of the IDF when individual soldiers pull these unsanctioned pranks. As to whether it was actionable or against Geneva convention, while the wiki you pointed to was informative, it’s still a bit questionable whether “non-state armed groups” (aka criminal terrorists) have status to the convention.
But that’s kinda legalistic. The main point is please, please, individual IDF soldiers, please stop these pranks that in this modern era will be used as negative propaganda against you.
Spot on. A 'bit of a laugh' it might have been to some but there are deeper issues at play here. I agree, the Wiki article isn't really clear as to the status one can apply to HAMAS; hence if in doubt treat as POW and have a court inquiry. In the recent Carlson-Putin interview, Putin made remarks about propaganda in the context of it being something that will happen regardless and you can't do much about it so don't worry. Yes, propaganda will be used by both sides but why write their scripts for them?
Hello. Yes, it's always about Israel's behavior. In my opinion, it is impossible to debase the drug-addled, rapist, pedophile, necrophiliac, sadistic, psychopathic degenerates of Hamas further than they have debased themselves. What's a little more humiliation to persons who believe that gang-raping children to death is a form of legitimate political protest? 'Treating the prisoners well' isn't going to make a damn bit if differerence either way. Hamas believes rules are for suckers.