Forty years ago, Thomas Sowell skewered the "model minority" rhetoric by stratifying the racial datasets by other social factors, demonstrating the inconvenient truths about how racial disparities (including the relative success of Asians) disappear when these other factors are taken into account. Contemporary collectivists don't want to face the fact that racial disparities are largely caused by governmental failures and by cultural differences affecting different racial groups unequally, not by "micoraggressions" and institutional cultures.
I once taught at an Asian cram school. Whenever you combine "Asian values" with a student that doesn't have the IQ to achieve what those Asian values think they should achieve...it's fucking ugly. Nothing gets accomplished beyond sheer misery, it's actually very tragic to watch.
Even when they have the IQ, it seems to be toxic past a point. Koreans are going extinct so they can go to cram schools and Red Queen Race each other.
Given blacks IQs, it's not like these people are going to get much out of Asian style academic prep regimens. Most would have happier and more fulfilling lives playing hoops rather than trying to master academic skills that are probably beyond their ability.
"Just act Asian" is kind of like "learn to code". It's a thing you say to blame someone for not doing something that is probably beyond their reasonable accomplishment sphere. And when someone tries and fails they start looking for some explanation as to why (they do not want to accept "because you're dumb and it was hopeless to begin with").
Asians study because with their higher IQs they get more out of it. All that cram school shit might in theory help them get better careers one day. If you don't have the IQ, you are going to realize pretty quick you aren't making progress or making the grade, and you are going to stop banging your head into a brick wall.
73 year old first generation (Jewish) American here, fan of Asian American (and all other) success, fan of most of what I read here, but frustrated that someone with your intelligence can be blind or ignorant of the history of African Americans. When I grew up, not that long ago, African Americans were not permitted in my school, on the beach where I swam, on the boardwalk where I vacationed, or in my neighborhood. When the Supreme Court and the Civil Rights Act forced some level of equality, funding was cut to public schools and private academies arose, and public accommodations such as public pools were closed rather than integrate. If you think that Asian-Americans experienced that history in the last half of the 20th century, you are factually wrong. It's wonderful that America has over and over again been a land of opportunity, and, in time, I believe that it will be so for African Americans. But holding one ethnic group up against another in a wholly different category is ignorant.
Social justice is basically epistemological, an attack on the focused mind, not basically politics. Man's focused mind discriminates things as better or worse for your life. The deliberately unfocused mind of social justice only knows differences as equal, with no discrimination. Social justice reduces man to an animal (without instincts). Social justice is a rejection of mans free will mind for mere perception or mindless sensing. Social justice rejects man as an individual to man as merely a part of an unchosen, multi-generational , social group, eg, race, ethnicity, sex, gender, nationality. For social justice, you are not you. You will be punished or rewarded because your ancestors oppressed or were oppressed. And oppression is claiming or enforcing better or worse. Thus the model minority is oppression.
We need more of this. Do racism and discrimination exist? Yes, but they don't cause failure or prevent success for individual. Avoiding failure requires self-discipline, work ethic, and adherence to societal norms. Achieving success requires all that + much more work, focus, determination, and self confidence.
The fashionable protected class groups love to portray themselves as the Cinderella of American Society, which perhaps they once were. In the last 40 years they look a lot more like Janice Soprano.
Fundamental bias as a function within Wikipedia articles is a bit of a hobby horse of mine. I believe both that WP is a marvel of the modern era and a fundamentally flawed mechanism for current-year sense making.
Numerous commentators say you should adjust the WP article but that belies a deep ignorance of how the platform works. In order to submit a change that will not be immediately removed, prior to any discussion, the article must be printed in an accepted journal of note. This is the fulcrum upon which ideological capture functions on WP as the list of acceptable sources is highly biased lacking both nuance and a mechanism for determining truth. Substack is specifically noted as a non-secondary source and is de facto not accepted, regardless of the source or quality of the publication.
I wholeheartedly agree with the arguments against this trash article; it’s transparently based on opinion pieces (using the Guardian as a source is a huge red-flag and should have your article banned outright). However for Prof. Caplan to have his say, this piece needs to be published in an accepted journal. I think it would be worth the effort as a small pushback like this might negate the entire claim and bring WP one article closer to the grand-unified truth.
I would LOVE to have a deeper conversation on the problems with WP and how to address them. Claims of, “woke bias,” or, “ it’s untrustworthy hogwash,” are simply not good enough. WP is too important to sacrifice and I would be glad to make the arguments and seek solutions.
1) Asian Americans can in fact be seen as a minority that has been able to overcome discrimination
2) There are still quite a few Asian Americans that aren’t successful and live in poverty and end up being ignored by people that think all Asians don’t struggle financially
So while “model minority” isn’t a myth, it does become one when applied to all Asian Americans rather than simply indicative of a group pattern.
Maybe Wikipedia editor should clarify that the MMM is not intended to accurately describe a social reality. MMM is a creed that can be used to signal one's allegiance to CRT dogma. The more outlandish the claims, the better you show you're a True Believer.
Well written!
You should edit the Wikipedia entry to reflect most of your points.
But of course the chances that the woke moderators of Wikipedia pages like this one will allow this are slim at best…
…despite the myth that Wikipedia is not leftist biased 🙄
Forty years ago, Thomas Sowell skewered the "model minority" rhetoric by stratifying the racial datasets by other social factors, demonstrating the inconvenient truths about how racial disparities (including the relative success of Asians) disappear when these other factors are taken into account. Contemporary collectivists don't want to face the fact that racial disparities are largely caused by governmental failures and by cultural differences affecting different racial groups unequally, not by "micoraggressions" and institutional cultures.
I once taught at an Asian cram school. Whenever you combine "Asian values" with a student that doesn't have the IQ to achieve what those Asian values think they should achieve...it's fucking ugly. Nothing gets accomplished beyond sheer misery, it's actually very tragic to watch.
Even when they have the IQ, it seems to be toxic past a point. Koreans are going extinct so they can go to cram schools and Red Queen Race each other.
Given blacks IQs, it's not like these people are going to get much out of Asian style academic prep regimens. Most would have happier and more fulfilling lives playing hoops rather than trying to master academic skills that are probably beyond their ability.
"Just act Asian" is kind of like "learn to code". It's a thing you say to blame someone for not doing something that is probably beyond their reasonable accomplishment sphere. And when someone tries and fails they start looking for some explanation as to why (they do not want to accept "because you're dumb and it was hopeless to begin with").
Asians study because with their higher IQs they get more out of it. All that cram school shit might in theory help them get better careers one day. If you don't have the IQ, you are going to realize pretty quick you aren't making progress or making the grade, and you are going to stop banging your head into a brick wall.
73 year old first generation (Jewish) American here, fan of Asian American (and all other) success, fan of most of what I read here, but frustrated that someone with your intelligence can be blind or ignorant of the history of African Americans. When I grew up, not that long ago, African Americans were not permitted in my school, on the beach where I swam, on the boardwalk where I vacationed, or in my neighborhood. When the Supreme Court and the Civil Rights Act forced some level of equality, funding was cut to public schools and private academies arose, and public accommodations such as public pools were closed rather than integrate. If you think that Asian-Americans experienced that history in the last half of the 20th century, you are factually wrong. It's wonderful that America has over and over again been a land of opportunity, and, in time, I believe that it will be so for African Americans. But holding one ethnic group up against another in a wholly different category is ignorant.
Social justice is basically epistemological, an attack on the focused mind, not basically politics. Man's focused mind discriminates things as better or worse for your life. The deliberately unfocused mind of social justice only knows differences as equal, with no discrimination. Social justice reduces man to an animal (without instincts). Social justice is a rejection of mans free will mind for mere perception or mindless sensing. Social justice rejects man as an individual to man as merely a part of an unchosen, multi-generational , social group, eg, race, ethnicity, sex, gender, nationality. For social justice, you are not you. You will be punished or rewarded because your ancestors oppressed or were oppressed. And oppression is claiming or enforcing better or worse. Thus the model minority is oppression.
Multiculturalism & Anti-Conceptual Mentality-PeterSchwartz
Multicultural Nihilism-Peter Schwartz
Diversity Delusion-Peter Schwartz
We need more of this. Do racism and discrimination exist? Yes, but they don't cause failure or prevent success for individual. Avoiding failure requires self-discipline, work ethic, and adherence to societal norms. Achieving success requires all that + much more work, focus, determination, and self confidence.
The fashionable protected class groups love to portray themselves as the Cinderella of American Society, which perhaps they once were. In the last 40 years they look a lot more like Janice Soprano.
Fundamental bias as a function within Wikipedia articles is a bit of a hobby horse of mine. I believe both that WP is a marvel of the modern era and a fundamentally flawed mechanism for current-year sense making.
Numerous commentators say you should adjust the WP article but that belies a deep ignorance of how the platform works. In order to submit a change that will not be immediately removed, prior to any discussion, the article must be printed in an accepted journal of note. This is the fulcrum upon which ideological capture functions on WP as the list of acceptable sources is highly biased lacking both nuance and a mechanism for determining truth. Substack is specifically noted as a non-secondary source and is de facto not accepted, regardless of the source or quality of the publication.
I wholeheartedly agree with the arguments against this trash article; it’s transparently based on opinion pieces (using the Guardian as a source is a huge red-flag and should have your article banned outright). However for Prof. Caplan to have his say, this piece needs to be published in an accepted journal. I think it would be worth the effort as a small pushback like this might negate the entire claim and bring WP one article closer to the grand-unified truth.
I would LOVE to have a deeper conversation on the problems with WP and how to address them. Claims of, “woke bias,” or, “ it’s untrustworthy hogwash,” are simply not good enough. WP is too important to sacrifice and I would be glad to make the arguments and seek solutions.
Two things are true here:
1) Asian Americans can in fact be seen as a minority that has been able to overcome discrimination
2) There are still quite a few Asian Americans that aren’t successful and live in poverty and end up being ignored by people that think all Asians don’t struggle financially
So while “model minority” isn’t a myth, it does become one when applied to all Asian Americans rather than simply indicative of a group pattern.
Another grand-slam home run, Bryan!
Wikipedia is another institution run into the ground by leftism.
I always thought Model Minority referred to the fact that Asians didn’t commit crimes. Unlike the black minority.
Maybe Wikipedia editor should clarify that the MMM is not intended to accurately describe a social reality. MMM is a creed that can be used to signal one's allegiance to CRT dogma. The more outlandish the claims, the better you show you're a True Believer.
https://polsci.substack.com/p/the-true-believer