There are times when I kind of feel like doing a gut check and preventing myself from accidentally or imperceptibly getting into a bubble, where what comes to feel normal, or barely needing explanation, to me sounds nutty to other people.
I saw this interesting thread on Twitter recently, asking: “What are the best arguments against urbanism or YIMBYism that you’ve heard or considered?” And it got me thinking about this.
I’ll give you mine, the thing that’s always in the back of my head and that I feel a need to reconcile in some way. People need familiarity—landmarks, markers, places to plant and gather memories. Individuals and built places and the communities that arise in that interplay are not abstractions. A lot of very NIMBY neighborhoods are also genuinely lovely, neighborly places to live. It’s difficult to pry apart their exclusive nature from their neighborly nature—from the social trust that you get when the same people inhabit the same place over time together.
When I hear someone—even in my own neighborhood!—say “Oh, it’s such a lovely place to live, isn’t it?” my first thought now is, “I bet you oppose new housing, huh?” And I realize that being an urbanist and housing advocate has made me have that reaction. I’m not sure that’s healthy—to see neighborliness as following from an exclusionary attitude, rather than perhaps seeing exclusion as the flip-side or cost of social trust. I don’t want to “ruin” anybody’s neighborhood or my own, but it’s hard not to think that there are some costs to growth and density.
It seems to me that if we focus on housing units only, we can lose the point of housing units. We can end up implicitly endorsing the atomization of American life instead of seeking whatever the right pathway is towards thicker and more neighborly communities. We can almost define “community” as some actual particular place out of existence.
Now, my way of reconciling this is to get a little mystical and argue that the “character” of a neighborhood is different from the current built environment. Or, even more mystical, the inward substance of a place is different from its outward form. I like this idea and it’s also true—as a city evolves, it does in fact remain the same place in some ways—but I recognize it’s a little bit of a device for explaining away or smoothing over what might be a real psychological cost to growth for the people who are already in a place.
Here’s a long piece I wrote about some big changes in my hometown, and how I understand my town’s future in some ways to be a picking up of the past—carrying on the same, old project of building it up—versus locking it in amber and treating it like a historical artifact. Nonetheless, I do feel a need to force myself to choose growth/housing/urbanism over my natural inclination to keep things the way they are.
So that’s me. There are some interesting answers to the original question on Twitter. Here are a few.
What’s the point of spending your time on this—most of America is unlikely to keep growing for long, and our development pattern is already way baked in.
In other words: it’s futile.
“YIMBros may technically be right, but the vibes are off”
In other words, housing advocates are annoying on the internet. There’s a “weak” version of this: “ They’re right but they’re annoying so I disagree with them.” But there’s also a “strong” version: “If these people are snarky and sardonic and uncharitable, maybe we should be a little suspicious of their policy priorities and how they’re going to implement them if given the political power to do so.”
The best argument against pure YIMBYism is basically that private building will never produce a supply glut that durably, substantially brings down rents, for a variety of reasons, notably the cost of construction, diminishing returns on new building, and interests rates.
In other words, contra some of the most market-/property-rights-oriented framings, there will always be a need for social/public/subsidized housing. I think most housing advocates are both/and on this, but you will find some market-only folks.
That it doesn’t deal with the issue of land speculation, and that the vacant lot continues to increase in value for doing nothing.
In other words, land-value tax would fix it?
The problem with living in the most desirable, densest, most convenient locations will always be higher land costs, so to some degree, urbanism always imposes a compromise on the amount of built space per person. This is a less of problem than imagined, but still a problem.
Pretty straightforward, but an acknowledgement that building housing would mean anyone gets to live anywhere they want is simplistic. Yeah, when I see someone say “I should be able to live anywhere on any budget” I get why people connect housing advocacy with entitlement. That will never really be the case.
I think the people that advocate for pie-in-the-sky urbanism as the end-all solution need to take a step back. What is better for a community overall? Having a high speed rail stop or building out your sidewalk and bike network? Choose the smaller options first.
This is an endorsement of incremental, “slow” improvement, like Strong Towns, over dreams of a national high-speed rail map.
Some others: people need green space, which might suggest walkable low-intensity urbanism but not super-dense Manhattan-style urbanism (unless, I guess, you can get your Central Park in there). Mixed-use development is difficult to execute well because architects and builders mostly focus on one building in one use segment (I guess this in increasingly not true, but it does take time to relearn the old skills.)
There’s more. Go peruse the thread if this interests you.
So I’m curious how you would answer this question—even or especially if you do support housing growth/density/walkability/the whole urbanism package. Leave a comment!
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The best argument in my mind to Yimbyism (at least here in the Midwest) is that we're not actually growing. We don't need new housing supply so much as we need to keep at the current level (or shrink sustainably). That may change if we get climate related migration.
But my response to this is that YIMBY isnt simply densification; but giving the market freedom in the classically liberal sense; to tear down the old, innovate and create dynamic spaces. That response doesn't hold up to either progressives or NIMBYs though; given their mutual dislike of property rights (good example of the horseshoe theory of politics) which is why we still see so much attention given to "participatory" zoning hearings that block the markets ability to create.
I think for most of these argument the "yes, and" approach is how I see it. yes,green spaces, and more housing. Yes, not Manhattan, and not LA either, yes more housing. Yes, social housing, and more housing. Yes, we need more sidewalks, and we need high speed rail, and if we are arguing priorities...sidewalks for sure. How are any of these anti YIMBY? Only if you jump to the conclusion that every community becomes Manhattan - Brooklyn isn't even Manhattan. I think these arguments are a bit alarmist?
The futile "it is what it is" is not convincing to me. The "yimbys are mean on the internet" is unfortunate, I try to be nice and also not too online. But that's also kinda just the internet in 2024, right?